Yes. You can and will be killed by more than 3 different weapons (Thorn, The Last Word, and Matador 64), with the ability to possibly: - Counter play your opponent - Survive longer than .168 seconds

Solely my opinions. Thorn: won't comment. The Last Word: it had it coming. The range was absurd for a gun that's meant to be a close quarter destroyer. Fusion rifle: can't say anything until I play with some of them after the patch lands. Hawkmoon: don't know the reason for the nerf as it was the only exotic hand cannon that required some skill to get kills and most people don't even have it. Gjallarhorn: I have a feeling it will still be the most powerful weapon in the game. Cannot give further comments until I actually know the extent of the wolf pack nerf. Ice breaker: will still be the camp maker lol. Rocket launchers: I mostly use machine guns. Might make a difference in Trials maybe? Auto Rifles: Yay! *prepares to brush off the dust from the ol' Hardlight* Pulse rifles: don't think it will make that much of a difference. I will still love my Messenger. Scout rifles: intrigued to see the new changes. Shotguns: they had it coming. I'm a shotgun user in the crucible as well and even I started thinking that we are relying on that class of weapon too much. There was a time when I loved using some fusion rifles in pvp (LIGHT/Beware anyone?) Sniper rifles: finally. No more goddam final rounds. I'm pretty sure a lot of people will love to play Trials now, including me. If you can't pop a head, why use a sniper in the first place? Blackhammer: disappointed to see the perk get nerfed. Why not make the perk a bit different? Like it will take ammo from the reserve but only one bullet per precision chain? In that way the ammo will eventually run out and we will have to look for special ammo crates. My opinion solely. Necrochasm: *explodes like a cursed thrall* No Land Beyond: use it. Will use it even more to piss off people in pvp and bring my Fireteam down lol. To people interested, no I don't use the thorn, last word or Hawkmoon like a religion. I experiment with a lot of guns. The reason I didn't comment about the Thorn is that a million people use it in pvp. It's almost as if the crucible doesn't have any variations. But then again you have to use the gun you worked so hard to get right? I know I had to. The only nerf I had in mind about the Thorn, was that keep everything as it is and just cancel out the DoT if the guardian using the Thorn is killed. Would make a lot of gunfights interesting. I do use the Shotgun like it's a part of my everyday life lol but pretty interested to see if the nerf will allow the other secondaries to make a comeback or not. Thank you to anyone who read my entire comment!

Icebreaker: wont make a difference, people will still sit back and take their sweet time Black Hammer: now redundant, I have a feeling that theres going to be a new exotic sniper that replaces the pre-nerf BH. Gjallarhorn: wont change a thing. If its the best launcher, people will still demand it. If its nerfed into irrelevance, a new 'must-have' will be chosen and demanded. Fusion Rifles: -_- *facedesk* Shotguns: PvP, fair enough I guess. PvE nerf, dafuq?!

I hate the changes to ice breaker and black hammer as it will render both weapons useless. I can ignore the ghorn nerf though I hate the statistic they are using to justify it as equipped and used aren't the same thing. I'm a bit annoyed by the shotgun nerf because they just became useful in pve and now they're getting nerfed again to suit pvp. I don't mind the rest of it but those points really tick me off.

Rip fusion rifles

Lets save our weapons! Stop the nerfin' #VivaLaGjally!

I always felt like my hawkmoon was just fine where it is. No need to make the rarest gun in the game not worth working for. It was already nerfed once.

Please Read This Bungie, I must admit that I am quite confused. Many of these problems that are to be addressed with this new update seem to clash directly with earlier ones that were released to correct problems created by even earlier updates. It might be safe to say we're chasing our tails at this point. One thing that I really appreciate about you guys at Bungie as that you do listen to the responses of the public. Never before has a gaming company cared to not only listen to reviews, but has taken action based on those opinions. However, it is this same willingness to listen and change that could hurt this particular game. I fear that people like myself (that have been with Destiny since the release date and purchased multiple copies to play on several different systems) may grow old of the back and forth with changing the game to make things better, people new to the game complaining because they don't have weapons that "day one" players have, and you then nerfing the weapons back down to nothing again to try and appease a small portion of your market. I didn't write all of this to express views on any one particular weapon but in general, why have exotic weapons if your are chipping away at their very essences which makes them exotic? Why have legendaries if they are only to later be nerfed to nothing? Why will people that have been here through all of these changes continue to play this game versus the next one? I'm sure you all are keenly aware of the need to define a line/standard that will remain. That standard has got to remain just that though. Again, I love how open and transparent you all are with notifying us, the gaming community, of these changes, that's awesome. There has got to be a limit though. Embrace this motto, we can't win them all. Once you have produced a product, and a great one at that, you have got to stand behind it. You have sculpted a great game, then, somehow managed to add to its beauty by increasing things that may have been overlooked. Now it seems you've set out to slowly destroy your work of art because some people were displeased with what you've created. Ask yourselves, what progress has been made if we are going back to the way things were?

I honestly gave a shit about gally and bh at first but I don't anymore. I'll try the patch and see how it is before I make any drastic decisions. I never used them as a crutch though and I never thought they were op. I've beaten bosses like quodron fast with the gally but I've played it the right way more. I can count on one hand all the times I've used the black hammer though which isn't much since there's way more than 5 enemies or bosses in the game. I've played without the help of any of the weapons and I still don't use the gally or bh all the time either. I can honestly say that it's just nice to know you have more than 1 strategy to defeat an enemy.

The Blackhammer and Icebreaker nerfs are probably the worst of them all

I think the wolfpack nerf is fine if it doesn't go more the 35%. The black hammer nerf definitely makes the gun less powerful than the former, turning the main perk into an insta reload now, and I honestly am kind of pissed at that. Ice breakers nerf I would be fine with IF they did a buff with it, such as letting the gun spawn with full ammo or similarly. Everything else was fine though.

Leave my ice breaker and Gjallarhorn alone Bungie!

Disappointed that they nerfed HC as a whole and also that they nerfed BH.

Black hammer was my unicorn, now what will I do

PEOPLE THE NERFS ARE -blam!-ING MINOR!!!

Why do people hate it so much? There's actually damage falloff to Auto Rifles, which is a great idea, it ain't about being the best, in that one lobby I want everyone to have a good time just like some of us. If you're angry about Ghallarhorn getting nerfed, then you really need to think about that. Bungie wants weapon variety, every company that actually cares wants to see everyone using something different instead of just one thing. Also you can't talk trash about the patch because you haven't tested it yet.

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So now we're supposed to get into melee range when fighting bosses to do any viable damage....... Ice breaker is a SNIPER RIFLE! You're supposed to stay as far away as you can with it and SNIPE! At first taken king looked like crap....some videos came out and it looked better, some more talk and interviews went public and made it look pretty good..... NOW THIS.........TIME TO CANCEL MY PREORDER!! Congratulations NERFTARDS you've done it again!! Keep crying you useless crucibabies!!

Im satisfied with most. I just hope that hand cannons don't die after this, exotics and legendary alike. I love that they are buffing auto rifles. I want hardlight and necrochasam to be good ( desperatly, so far im not convinced of hardlights.) But more than anything theres other things that i think need buffs. Universal Remote: Ammo buff for pve. (Same rule for no land beyond, pve only.) Dragons Breath: flare sticks and has Dot to those touched by flare. Vex Mythoclast: Ammo boost for PvE. Thats it, comment share and all that jazz. But in all im ok with the way things are going. Pray they turn out well.