I see yet again moaning PvP losers have ruined my PvE enjoyment. It's quite ridiculous!

If people were getting kicked simply for not having a Gjallarhorn, I say nerf the f*cker because that sh*t ain't right...

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Fusion Rifle changes are unjustified in my opinion. They needed a buff if anything as their PvE performance is terrible currently.

I like every thing about it expect for BH and IB. Those were my baby's:(

I'm not too happy about the blackhammer and ice breaker nerfs. Ghorn will still be the ghorn, just slightly weaker. I feel like the ARs will still be under powered for PvE. Pulse rifles need to be hugely buffed for PvE as well. Didn't think Scouts needed a buff but I'm happy they're getting one. Shottys well, 10% overall and another 10% to crits is a bit much.

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I'm okay with most of it, but there are a few things that concern me. Fusion Rifles are rarely used anywhere in the game, so the call to nerf the is puzzling. Bungie may have some playtest data, but I'm generally wary of pre-emptive nerfs. The Ice Breaker nerfs are done for the right reason, but might go too far. Maybe just increase the reload time to 6 seconds, or have the restock timer reset every time you fire. This would encourage less IB spamming by making continuous fire put out less DPS while rewarding Guardians who use it sporadically by keeping it the same.

Black Hammer - I get it but am disappointed. It was fun while it lasted! Shotguns in pve - I get it but am disappointed. Hopefully 4th Horseman still dominates. Ghorn - Bummed, but I get it. Icebreaker - ditto NLB - scares me a bit, interested to see how quickly one can scope. Thorn - I like how they didn't kill it for pve, but helped balance it in pvp. Best change IMO. HC's mag nerf - I'm curious to see how it works, it could actually benefit HC's like Ill Will with LitC and Final Round. My guess is the larger clip HC's will see a difference (12 dropped to 9 or so) and the smaller ones (below 6) will not drop, or will only lose one shot. Also, will Hawkmoon stay at 13 due to the extra bullets in it? Shotgun range perks nerf - necessary HC range nerf - necessary Fusion rifle nerf - makes no sense to me, unless they are anticipating FR's to become used much more after the Shotty nerfs, which is a real possibility. Don't care about autos, still won't use them except for maybe Necrochasm (that thrall explosion though). Final round snipers - although I rarely used it, I feel like I got ripped off on a bunch of motes of light; my pvp spear is pointless now. I guess I'll reroll it to have pve perks (hoping for field scout and clown cartridge like my void one, but I also want this one to remain arc). Overall thoughts - change might be annoying, but we will adapt.

Bungie, I feel that by focusing on the details your are not seeing the big picture. The are many aspects of Destiny to enjoy, but the strongest draw for me and most of the Guardians I have played with has always been the quest for the truly great weapons. When that first Gally, Fatebringer or Ice Breaker dropped it was a very memorable moment and everytime (and I mean everytime) I use these weapons, I remember that feeling and experience the joy of felling bad guys with them. The same goes for quest exotics. The Thorn and Bad Juju were brutal slogs for me (I'm hopeless in the Crucible) and therefore I really feel I've earned the right to wield these superior tools and for them to outperform the weapons of Guardians who haven't achieved or expended the effort I have. By nerfing these guns, because they create tiers of 'haves' and 'have nots', takes away the joy from my game and therefore my reason to play. If you want to create balance, by all means buff underperforming ones so that they are fun to use as well, but don't level the playing field by making all weapons underperform, that will just lead to lack lustre combat and who wants that? If you're really concerned about players being excluded from raids without a Gally, let Xur sell it regularly or create a suitable exotic bounty for it. The other problem with nerfing, especially nerfing whole classes, is that people will choose not to use that weapon and simply migrate to the new 'best' weapon. This happened with the Suros Regime, The Vex Mythoclast, Thorn, etc and with Autorifles, to Hand Cannons to Shotguns. People will always tend to gravitate to the best option and it usually becomes adopted by the overwhelming majority. Nerfing for balance is a game of whack-a-mole, it's futile and never ends. By buffing underperforming weapons you have a chance of creating genuine options for people and stand a better chance of creating diversity. Finally, the PvE/PvP stat separation is a real positive direction. PvE is non-competitive and should not suffer from fixes to PvP balance issues. I understand your point that a group of players can work together and plan to overcome the toughest PvE challenges using a particular weapon in a particular way, but you are missing the big picture again , as this is precisely what you said you created the game for and how your community wants to play it.

I like the changes.(before people start bashing that I don't have a Gjhallyhorn so I don't know what I'm talking about) I have a 365 Gjhallyhorn and use it. It's good, but good to a point where the devs are having to modify boss difficulty to counter it. This ruins the experience for this that don't have it. And changing all the weapons for the sake of one weapon isn't feasible. The tools put into place to be able to customize weapons separately are just what we needed. I'm surprised we didn't have it at launch. But it also explains why all AR's were hit because of Suros. These tools will allow Bungie to make the individual adjustments that were needed for certain guns and not wreck an entire line of gun types. Overall this was a win.

Imagine this. This is a 10 year game why would bungie want us to be using the same guns from year 1 in future years. So 3 years from now everyone is using thorn still lol.

THANKS FOR NERFING EVERYTHING I LOVE IN PVE BUNGIE!!! BLACK HAMMER DIDNT NEED WHAT IT GOT!!! Black hammer is literally one of the best legendary snipers because of its White Nail perk. You guys are pretty much making it useless with it pulling ammo from the mag. I would rather use an uncommon sniper rifle at that point except for BH. It's not like Sepiks is crying about the White nail perk to you guys. No one rages as much in PvE than PvP. Ice Breaker: Why. Why. WHY! Bungie you screwed up even more this time. You guys pretty much nerfed the heavy ammo glitch with 8 seconds instead of 5 seconds on rounds of IB. Bravo Bungie. It's long enough to wait for the freaking rounds. -=-Le Break from rage-=- Thank you Bungie for nerfing the Thorn Bout time Thank you for nerfing Shotguns Bout time -=-Le Rage x10000000-=- Gjallarhorn............................. Nerf............ Why Why Why Why Why Wolfpack rounds nerf? AGAIN WHO CARES ABOUT BOSSES IN PVE. ITS HARD ENOUGH WITH SKOLAS NOW TO SOME PEOPLE ITS HARD ENOUGH FOR CROTA AND ATHEON. Oh yeah that reminds me YOU CANT DOWN CROTA IN TWO SHOTS ANYMORE WITH BALLERHORN! Thanks for ruining the game even more P.S. Idk if it's a glitch or part of the weapon tuning for Xûr's lack of Exotic Weapon this week. If it's part of tuning... Wow. Bungie. Pls give Destiny to Microsoft or something.

Some pvp weapons, I understand. I'm a terrible pvp player, check my stat to confirm, but when I used thorn I would, not consistently mind you, I used to get around 1.0 kd. Where if I used anything else it would be around .7 kd But ghallajhorn was meant to be op. Ice breaker, that's the biggest disappointment. I remember vanilla Destiny, using ice breaker in arc nightfall because that's all I had or it was juggler. I grew a bind with ice breaker. Even black hammer. But now it seems to me, they can't match the same creative thinking that went into vanilla gear. Because of that, they need to degrade those weapons to get you to use their higher damage against shanks perk. It is very disappointing.

The purpose is pretty obvious. The new weapons are not very good and almost every player uses the same load out which consists of old weapons with better stats. (You all know this is true, just check your party members gear). There really is not a difference...whether pve or pvp, the intent here is to make sure everyone keeps chasing the carrot. If people think this is something bungie is doing in response to what players want or complaints on the forum, they are naive. The reroll system backfired and people don't have to grind for weapons with the perks they want. This revision is to try to keep people interested in continuing to play by making them try different weapons until the expansion comes out. The hope is that it will buy them some time. Pretty simple marketing strategy really.

Instead of buffing weapons and weapons archetypes to compete with weapons that were "op" Bungie decided to issue a large number of nerfs. As a result the community is lashing out. Odd choice on Bungie's part to take the nerf this/that mentality instead of buff this/that in my opinion.

When TTK drops imma find a new game

Only 25% was asked for, the rest was them on a power trip of typing Shit on their keyboards

I'm starting to think the guns were most balanced before they began nerfing everything back then PvP actually had variety ....and then the Xmas noob nation attacked....

They nerf'd Thorn, very happy. They nerf'd shotguns, even happier. They nerf'd TLW, not happy, but I understand. They nerf'd final round so bloody happy. They nerf'd fusion rifles, not happy. They nerf'd high impact pulse rifles, ehh kind of happy. They nerf'd icebreaker, not happy, but don't really care. They nerf'd Gjallarhorn, on the fence about it. Leaning towards happy. Buffed auto rifles, extremely happy. Nerf'd black hammer, not happy. So overall, I'm only unhappy about black hammer nerf. I can live without black hammer. Overall I'm pleased.