Please check my hunter out I have an old school Jolder's Hammer with the following perks It's purely for PVP [b]Aggressive Ballistics Counterbalance Field scout Crowd control[/b] Before you guys say anything about Rodeo and Rangefinder. I've tested all 3 perks Rodeo and Counterbalance and Rangefinder on this gun. I probably rolled around 50+ times and maxed it out 3 times for testing. After multiple tests with different barrels and perks these are my conclusions [b]Aggressive ballistics[/b] is a must, 80 hit to the head and 64 body. That's a 3 shot hill on most occasions. [b]Rodeo/Counterbalance/Rangefinder[/b] all 3 are very good and a must when using aggressive ballistics. However I've noticed that Rodeo has a very unpredictable bounce it can go right or left or up diagonal. Mostly moves around in a circle. Very little to no different with or with out this perk as seen on the video below. Rangefinder is an awesome perk to have. I don't disagree with you however please see couple of videos below. When having a different barrel like CQB it makes it much more stable and easier to control. You can clearly see from the videos how much stability you loose with rangefinder and rodeo at longer distances when using aggressive ballistics. Counterbalance on the other hand only moves up and down when using aggressive ballistics so makes it so much easier to control. You can see this on some videos such as planet destiny review of Jolder's Hammer. See below: [b]Planet Destiny (counterbalance/rodeo)[/b] http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEuqyhMO0d0 [b]Counterbalance[/b] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ptP_O5FH4 [b]Rangefinder[/b] - http://youtu.be/uD4ZV8CvAv0 [b]Rodeo[/b] - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vUJFDtZMAVs [b]Field scout[/b] explains it self 50 in a mag is a must. Perks like perfect balance don't help the stability enough to warrant the perks space. [b]Crowd Control[/b] is also a must the extra damage is insane and becomes a 2 hit killing machine on lower armoured guardians. Killing frenzy is a good perk too but doesn't come anywhere near to crowd control. All opinions welcome!