TLW's range should be nuked and The ADS glitch should be fixed. Damage and fire rate should be reduced by 5%. Thorn's DoT should be reduced to 4. Fire rate and range should be reduced by 5%. H'moon's Perks should not be stackable and range reduced by 5%. ARs should have damage increased by the amount they were nerfed by. Necrochasm's mag size should be doubled, Cursebringer should proc on all precision kills, Cascade replaced by Zen Moment and damage increased by 10%. NLB's damage should be doubled in PvE, fire rate should be doubled and scope glare removed. The effect of Shot Package and Rangefinder should be reduced by 20%. Fusion Rifles should be rebuffed. Vex should get it's original mag size back. Weapons cannot be used in mid-air in PvP. Icarus will permit the use of weapons in mid-air. It cannot be used on Shotguns. The effect of Grenades and Horseshoes should be reduced by 10%. Pulse rifles such as the Messenger should have their 2HK potential removed. Bladedancers, Gunslingers and Sunsingers cannot regen health by normal means in PvP. Bladedancer can generate more orbs. Matchmaking should separate randoms from fireteams of 3+. Remove joining games-in-progress. All nerfs are PvP-only.

Who cares about thorn? I have NLB!

I'm really getting sick of people saying shotguns need a range nerf. I dare you to put on modern body armor and let someone shoot you with a high-powered, military grade shotgun from these so called sniper distances and see how you fare. I'll give you a hint: you'll die in one shot. Now take into consideration that destiny is set in the future with greater technology. Why would gun manufacturers all of sudden start making shotguns that can't compete with the ones we use? Stop whining or accept my challenge.

Doesn't make a difference if Thorn is patched. People will use TLW. If that gets patched there is still Red Death/Messenger.

It don't matter because if Thorn gets nerfed the cry babies will find another weapon and then another to complain about until they finally realize it wasn't the guns fault but there own lol. In reality the community complains about any weapon they can in hopes that maybe the next OP weapon don't kill them as much as the current one. People will never be happy...

range reduction dot reduction rate of fire reduction

Thorn and Ghallahorn will be super-nerfed

I hope it gets nurfed so that it's the WORST weapon in the game, I was just one shoted by one, and I thought that's what snipers were for.

I'd be happy with a serious range nerf to exotic handcannons. They should still be deadly at short ranges, but especially The Last Word should not be killing from scout rifle range. Reduction to Thorn's DoT to make it a three precision shot kill, as well as a stability or rate of fire nerf. Auto rifle rebuff. This is pretty straightforward. Put them about halfway between where they are now and what they used to be. As for snipers, just a slight reduction to the damage of final round so as to not make it an instant kill on a body shot but to still seriously wound the enemy. Bungie needs to make sure that they don't nerf final round so hard that it's a useless perk. Shotguns could use an all around range nerf. It's just too easy to charge someone with a shotgun currently. Part of me feels like something should be done to buff fusion rifles but I'm not sure. I haven't used one in ages, and feel absolutely no incentive to do so over a sniper or a shotgun. If I were Bungie, these are the changes I would implement, and aside from the auto rifle rebuff all of these changes would be PvP only.

[quote]Between now and September 15th, [b]we’ll also explore a range of topics[/b] that we know are important to you, including [b]weapon rebalancing[/b], economy improvements, an overhauled quest experience, bounty enhancements, faction allegiances, end game content, and more. [/quote] Reading comprehension at its finest.

Handcannons will be getting a range and dmg buff Thorn will now be a one-shot kill Shotguns will have double range TLW's time-to-kill will be buffed to 0.27 sec Auto Rifles will be getting an additional 14% dmg nerf Fusion rifles will have decreased range. #BungieLogic.

Lets open the bungie balance patch history file ... Ok by my calculations my only advice is - when you see an opponent using thorn after patch make sure to run with your mouth open as the thorns are most likely being replaced with marshmallows