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작성자: Enclose
6/30/2015 10:05:20 PM
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Nerf thorn. This is unacceptable
[b]since you idiots can't read
If you're going to comment something useless then you're opinion is going to be invalid
If you want to tell me to get good while you have a shit KD also invalid
If you have something to say say it but don't be a dick and act like an idiot[/b]
Numbers to prove thorn is overpowered
[spoiler]Here's the raw numbers go ahead and try to defend your crutch gun.
Thorns headshot- 84-85
Thorns headshot WITH burn- 126-127
So a single headshot with burn deals 126-127 damage? Hmm doesn't a hawkmoon bonus bullet deal 126? So thorn with a regular bullet deals as much as hawkmoons bonus bullets. Despite hawkmoon having almost double the impact!
Thorn body shot- 51
body shot WITH burn- 92, so a body shot deals as much as a regular high impact hand cannon. Wow. Simply disgusting.
A thorn final round headshot........ 152 damage. Holy shit. Fast firing low impact snipers deal 151 to the body. Wow. Just
Wow.
On top of that its range is enough to out gun scout rifles, it's fire rate is maxed out, it's aim assist is ridiculous, it's stability is pretty damn high, has almost 0 kick to it.[/spoiler]
Thorns ridiculous time to kill; and how other weapons can't compete
[spoiler]Thorns TTK .33 seconds.
SUROS, mida, hardlight, any legendary TTK 1.75-3 seconds. Check planetdestiny.com for the TTK on every gun and you'll see how thorn literally out guns everything except last word which also has a .33 TTK.
So thorns TTK is .33 SUROS is 1.75. Lol thorn could literally kill a SUROS user FIVE TIMES OVER BEFORE THE SUROS USER KILLED HIM LOLOL AND THATS NOT OP???????? Hahahahaha ahhhhhh *wipes a tear*[/spoiler]
Bungies incompetence rant
[spoiler]Bungie. You nerfed SUROS when it was a perfectly balanced gun killing in 6 headshots. Now it takes 8. It was nerfed for 0 reason besides being a popular gun. It wasn't popular because it was OP it was just a great gun that other guns could compete against.
Thorn needs a nerf. Defend your crutch all you want and tell me how hard the bounty was
Yes the bounty is hard if you're the type who needs all 34's with gjallarhorns to kill a Dreg.
Thorn is a crutch. 3 sloppy body shots and you're done. Hiding doesn't help because you burn, killing the user doesn't help because you burn. This gun is the second chance/last stand of destiny
For shitty players who can't get kills lol. And it needs a nerf. You've lost a day 1 player because you're quick to nerf and patch shit that benefits us, but nope you won't balance weapons that obviously need a nerf.
Are you guys that incompetent as a company?[/spoiler]
Suggestion for a nerf
[spoiler]Here's my suggestion
Thorns bullets act like explosive rounds
The damage is sliced clean in half. And the remainder of the damage is made up by the burn
So 43 headshot+42 burn=85 per headshot
12body+42 burn= 54 per body shot.
This way they can keep their stupid burn but they'll actually need to land 2-3 headshots to kill and 3-4 body shots.
Or nerf the burn to 2 damage per tick because 7 over 6 ticks is 42.[/spoiler]
Final thoughts on bungie in general
[spoiler]And that shit is unacceptable. Until I hear that this gun got the nerf it needs I won't be coming back to your greedy money scamming game. I've been a fan since halo 2. No wonder all your people left to 343. Because they're not idiots. If only you current bungie workers had a 1/100th of the mind the only devs used to have this game would be 1000 times better. But you're full of idiots.
Shit that affects us negatively you wait months to fix
Heavy loss glitch- 6 months to fix
Weapon buffs and nerfs- 4 months to be applied
Etc.
But shit that makes things easier is patched in a week
Atheon cheese- less than 2 weeks
Shoot to loot glitch- less than 2 weeks
Crota forever kneel- 3 weeks
Etc.
Bungie you've grown into a pathetic company and game developer. I bet the flappy bird creator could do shit better than you guys. That being said killjoy out.[/spoiler]
Why I use a final round sniper and the last word
I use the last word because I love the gun
It's look and fire animation. But unlike you thorners I'm not stubborn. The last word honestly needs a good range nerf because you can get its stability near max, and it can compete with scout rifles lol
The reason I have a final round sniper is......
If I see a team of all thorners, self revivers, and final rounders; I need every advantage lol
If you've ever played against me you'll know I don't abuse my final round, I spawn with 12 bullets so that's 4 final rounds, yet I normally get 5 kills in the first round. I don't empty my clip and run with the last round I think that's stupid and a waste of ammo
The only time I will use my final round and empty my clip is
If I've heard a blade dancer, if it's me against 3 people. Check my sniper kills in trials 789/1100 kills are with a sniper. That should be proof enough that I don't just abuse my final round.
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2 답변OP wasted this much time on something irrelevant and inconsequential. *check* OP repeatedly states what a douche bag he is (oh wait, that's right, it was just implied). *check* OP makes a sad attempt to put people down due to lack of skills in a game. (truly pathetic). *check* You know what that means right? You got it... [spoiler]OP's life is invalid...[/spoiler] [spoiler]Though I must admit it is pretty amazing OP managed to keep all these details organized and together with crayon scribblings while brainstorming with his tin foil helmet on.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Amusingly enough I'm not even saying OP is wrong (or right), just that he wasted so much time to complain about something he can't do anything about, but then I suppose it is his time to waste. I'm sure OP will enjoy the fellow whiner party and nonchalant trolling of naysayers. At least OP is getting that attention he wanted... just not from Bungie. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)[/spoiler] [spoiler]I would have addressed OP, but since he thinks everyone's existence but his own is invalid, I didn't see the point...[/spoiler]
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1 답변These posts are getting annoying. You're obviously pretty good in PvP and do well w/o thorn so why waste time and energy bringing attention to it? I guess it can give scrubs a chance to compete but like I said your stats suggest countering thorn isn't a problem for you
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The damage is okay, it needs a good bit more recoil and a very slight need in fire rate. That or auto rifles need buffing back up to par. Another possibility it to increase the amount you flinch while aiming Thorn if you are shot.
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My biggest problem with the Thorn is its range. You should be able to combat it with a scout or a sniper but it's not the case. The people who say that are just plain wrong. If there is a spot on any normal PVP map (outside of Combined Arms) where you can use range to combat Thorn it doesn't happen very often. I tried using a 365 VOC in Trials this weekend and could rarely get far enough away, and that map had some of the longer engagements we'll see in the normal PVP rotation. I also don't buy the argument that the bounty is so hard you deserve to use an OP wep. When I completed the bounty pre-TDB it was hard because the only decent void wep was the AE, so you had to get lucky with a fusion/shotty drop or buy one from the gunsmith. Now there are plenty of void weps to go around. Nerf the range much like the fusion rifles were nerfed, maybe make it so the DOT doesn't even kick in at a certain range, then everyone will be happy I think.
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2 답변작성자: mightymustardman 6/30/2015 2:00:08 PMOddly enough, you have Thorn maxed out and currently equipped on your Titan. Does that mean your point is invalid? Also, anyone who posts some information on why they believe something but refuse to accept any comments that may go against their thoughts, well that makes their points invalid. In the end though dude, you've been flawless in trials so not really sure what the issue is. I have thorn as well as a bunch of other guns and if I find that I am doing better one day with one gun over another then I will use that. And it's not always the thorn!
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3 답변[quote]*Deej looks at post Deej: "Oh no..." *Deej runs out of his house, gets in his car to get to the office. It breaks down. So he goes on foot. He crosses the deserts, climbs mountains, sail the deadly seas. He must get this information to Harold Ryan, the president of Bungie. Finally, Deej reaches his destination. He is exhausted. Deej is drenched in sweat and hardly able to breath. He could fall over dead any minute. Deej: "Mr. Ryan sir... TheKillJoy might be quitting." Ryan: "Who?" Deej: "TheKillJoy, sir..." Ryan: "My god... bring me the button." *Deej breaks open a glass box on the wall labeled Use in case of emergency. He pulls out a button from the scattered remains and hands it to Ryan. Ryan pushes the button Confetti pops everywhere and a banner drops that reads No One Cares in bright bold letters. A faint "Yea" can be heard in the background. Ryan: "Money well spent." *Looks over to Deej Ryan: "Now get back to work and remember to tell me every time someone quits. I just love using this button."[/quote]
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1 답변작성자: jet_turbine 6/30/2015 2:18:18 PMI have actually gone out ouf my way to do pvp just to see what people are talking about (as a [b]hunter[/b] which acording several data posts i read. Is the [b]least favord class to be in pvp[/b] by a lot) and after doing[b] (gun v thorn) (thorn v thorn) (thorn v gun) and (gun v gun)[/b] i have come to the conclusion that the [b]thorn is not an over powered weapon in pvp...[/b] It is simply a big hand cannon that shoots a big bullet. The problem lies when [b]people belive that its not a high caliber weapon[/b]... Just shoot a bullet st the wall and look at it for starters... OW! ITS LIKE YOUR SHOOTING A MACE AT THEM... The fact that this is truely the [b]largest bullet head in the game[/b] is exempt enough... But then remember its just oosing darkness everywhere... The gun metal and bullet metal itself was forged with darkness and left in some of the darkest places ever... So now were shooting a mace that poisons you with super evil spirits... [b]and its still killing normally in most peoples books.[/b] Thats right... [b]tests show that an average of 2/3rds of the community feel the gun is not O.P[/b] so reguardless on what the numbers say... The mass of players outvote the nerf hammer 2-1. Logic proves reason in the numbers. My personal experiences as well as in game player interviews all say its fair. [b]The catagory of the weapon is reason enough[/b] as all hand cannons are ment to be high caliber guns. Bottom line. [b]Nerfing is not need.[/b] Side note: if the last word (a lower caliber handcannon) killes just as fast... And very very few people complain... Theres something that doesnt click... People mainly want a thorn nerf... But very much less so on the word... (Also proven by forum data) maybe... Just maybe... Exotic hand cannons are just good... :0... And maybe... Auto rifels were nerfed and cannot be used to compare a completely diffetent gun :0 and maybe... People dont like low impact snipers :0 so there you go.
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Hey now, I'm working on my 4th attempt to get the Thorn, not as a primary (Not keen on any game pistol), but as a Collector. I want to see what it does. Yes, I've been shot with one-- it's so cool the way it burns you down-- one from the grave as it were. I've played crucible where others had Thorn-- fine, still had a great time. Still kicked their ass.
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2 답변But it's a gun in the game. If I get killed over and over by a gun, I don't cry nerf or cry about it in general. I find something to out gun it or practice more. The gun has been "nerfed" If you have been playing for a while you'll remember that people asked for a buff. Now people are asking for a nerf. This community doesn't know what it wants. All they see is a gun that many people use in PvP. It seems to be effective. So of course the people on the opposite end are going to be upset because they are losing. That doesn't not mean cry about it on the forums. The gun is fine the way it is. Every gun is fine the way it is. You need to grow up and fix your own problems. Find something and get good with something that can out gun it. [spoiler]Deal with it and stop crying.[/spoiler]
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작성자: Azrael x 6/30/2015 1:15:44 PMYea I agree it's pretty strong but It also goes as proof that this community will forever cry OP about whichever crucible weapons are top dog. And you sir, are absolutely 100% correct about SUROS. It was a tad OP in september/october but pre-1.1.1 it was exactly where it needed to be. No one whined about Thorn or TLW in January even though it was literally exactly how it is now because SUROS Regime was king, everyone was hoping on the 'nerf SUROS it's too good' train (despite the fact that it has alr been nerfed once, but it was just where it needed to be) Now that SUROS has been de-throned, the next best weapons are thorn and tlw so they cop all of the complaints. I love the hypocrisy of this community. In one forum kids will be saying they made a mistake crying for a SUROS nerf and want it buffed again, and in the next forum post the same kids will be whining for nerfs on xyz weapons. Edit: inb4 'lol you have 6000 thorn kills thorn scrub', that was mostly from back in january when i first got my thorn and didn't have Gjally yet so it was my go-to PvE weapon. I absolutely agree it's annoying as -blam!- in tbe crucible but not nearly asOP as some people make it out to be
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Agreed. I love hand cannons. Originally Thorn just needed a bigger magazine. I don't understand why a gun has been allowed to stay so OP this long unless they hope that other guns from TTK will overpower it. Suros was as popular as thorn and bam, nerfed. Vex, bam, nerfed. Yet thorn remains un-nerfed and has ruined ToO and Crucible and is ineffective against bullet sponges in pve. It's literally become a thorn in their side and I imagine they are scared of the backlash if they fix the problem.
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1 답변The question is: IS it overpowered? In the past I would use Hand Cannons and Thorn was my weapon. I've made the switch to Pulse Rifles in PvP now and I would say it does a lot better than Hand Cannons. Pulse Rifles like The Messenger and Red Death can out shine Thorn and even The Last Word. Thorn and The Last Word are amazing weapons, but again I personally feel that Pulse Rifles are a lot better. This nerf talk is kind of... childish in my opinion. What it boils down to is player skill and handling skills. Several occasions where I'm outgunning (a Pulse Rifle user) a Thorn user. If a player can't aim for his life then Thorn at that point is not overpowered. Yes anyone can pick this weapon up and be "good" with it. At times in Trials I would be in gunfights with Thorn users while I use my Red Death. Most of the times if I land my shots perfectly it kills them without injuries. Occasion the user would hit me and would almost kill me but depending on their play style I most likely kill them and me dying from burn, if they decide to play campy I die most of the time. Now Pulse Rifles need to be at about mid-long range distance in order to outgun Hand Cannon users. Again as mentioned The Messenger and Red Death can outgun Hand Cannon users. The Messenger can two shot an enemy, while the Red Death can also do maybe requires a third depending where you shoot. I agree with the statistics, yes the kill time is crazy and how much damage it deals. But again it boils down to player skill and handling skills. So in conclusion, the Thorn can be overpowered, in the right hand the weapons should be toned down a bit but those that aren't so great then no it doesn't need to be toned down.
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Seems to me you don't understand how bungie "fixes" things. You can already bet bungie knows this info. You can also assume a fix is underway. Unfortunately they won't "fix" it your way, because they don't care. They will respond the same way the did to complaints about the suros. The will nerf all hand cannons across the board in impact/range in pve and pvp. They class will be buried with the auto rifle. When it happens, you and all the other whiners will be to blame. Hope you enjoy the next sandbox "fixes" that cripple your exotic AND legendary handguns, and hope you have room in your vault for them next to that suros and shadow price.
