[b]since you idiots can't read If you're going to comment something useless then you're opinion is going to be invalid If you want to tell me to get good while you have a shit KD also invalid If you have something to say say it but don't be a dick and act like an idiot[/b] Numbers to prove thorn is overpowered [spoiler]Here's the raw numbers go ahead and try to defend your crutch gun. Thorns headshot- 84-85 Thorns headshot WITH burn- 126-127 So a single headshot with burn deals 126-127 damage? Hmm doesn't a hawkmoon bonus bullet deal 126? So thorn with a regular bullet deals as much as hawkmoons bonus bullets. Despite hawkmoon having almost double the impact! Thorn body shot- 51 body shot WITH burn- 92, so a body shot deals as much as a regular high impact hand cannon. Wow. Simply disgusting. A thorn final round headshot........ 152 damage. Holy shit. Fast firing low impact snipers deal 151 to the body. Wow. Just Wow. On top of that its range is enough to out gun scout rifles, it's fire rate is maxed out, it's aim assist is ridiculous, it's stability is pretty damn high, has almost 0 kick to it.[/spoiler] Thorns ridiculous time to kill; and how other weapons can't compete [spoiler]Thorns TTK .33 seconds. SUROS, mida, hardlight, any legendary TTK 1.75-3 seconds. Check planetdestiny.com for the TTK on every gun and you'll see how thorn literally out guns everything except last word which also has a .33 TTK. So thorns TTK is .33 SUROS is 1.75. Lol thorn could literally kill a SUROS user FIVE TIMES OVER BEFORE THE SUROS USER KILLED HIM LOLOL AND THATS NOT OP???????? Hahahahaha ahhhhhh *wipes a tear*[/spoiler] Bungies incompetence rant [spoiler]Bungie. You nerfed SUROS when it was a perfectly balanced gun killing in 6 headshots. Now it takes 8. It was nerfed for 0 reason besides being a popular gun. It wasn't popular because it was OP it was just a great gun that other guns could compete against. Thorn needs a nerf. Defend your crutch all you want and tell me how hard the bounty was Yes the bounty is hard if you're the type who needs all 34's with gjallarhorns to kill a Dreg. Thorn is a crutch. 3 sloppy body shots and you're done. Hiding doesn't help because you burn, killing the user doesn't help because you burn. This gun is the second chance/last stand of destiny For shitty players who can't get kills lol. And it needs a nerf. You've lost a day 1 player because you're quick to nerf and patch shit that benefits us, but nope you won't balance weapons that obviously need a nerf. Are you guys that incompetent as a company?[/spoiler] Suggestion for a nerf [spoiler]Here's my suggestion Thorns bullets act like explosive rounds The damage is sliced clean in half. And the remainder of the damage is made up by the burn So 43 headshot+42 burn=85 per headshot 12body+42 burn= 54 per body shot. This way they can keep their stupid burn but they'll actually need to land 2-3 headshots to kill and 3-4 body shots. Or nerf the burn to 2 damage per tick because 7 over 6 ticks is 42.[/spoiler] Final thoughts on bungie in general [spoiler]And that shit is unacceptable. Until I hear that this gun got the nerf it needs I won't be coming back to your greedy money scamming game. I've been a fan since halo 2. No wonder all your people left to 343. Because they're not idiots. If only you current bungie workers had a 1/100th of the mind the only devs used to have this game would be 1000 times better. But you're full of idiots. Shit that affects us negatively you wait months to fix Heavy loss glitch- 6 months to fix Weapon buffs and nerfs- 4 months to be applied Etc. But shit that makes things easier is patched in a week Atheon cheese- less than 2 weeks Shoot to loot glitch- less than 2 weeks Crota forever kneel- 3 weeks Etc. Bungie you've grown into a pathetic company and game developer. I bet the flappy bird creator could do shit better than you guys. That being said killjoy out.[/spoiler] Why I use a final round sniper and the last word I use the last word because I love the gun It's look and fire animation. But unlike you thorners I'm not stubborn. The last word honestly needs a good range nerf because you can get its stability near max, and it can compete with scout rifles lol The reason I have a final round sniper is...... If I see a team of all thorners, self revivers, and final rounders; I need every advantage lol If you've ever played against me you'll know I don't abuse my final round, I spawn with 12 bullets so that's 4 final rounds, yet I normally get 5 kills in the first round. I don't empty my clip and run with the last round I think that's stupid and a waste of ammo The only time I will use my final round and empty my clip is If I've heard a blade dancer, if it's me against 3 people. Check my sniper kills in trials 789/1100 kills are with a sniper. That should be proof enough that I don't just abuse my final round.