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6/6/2015 2:13:22 AM
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Why do Lighthousers not want to fight each other?

There's been a lot of discussion about ToO, and one of the more popular ideas to solve problems with this game's lack of skill-based matchmaking was "Make the 9-0ers who went Flawless be separated from general matchmaking and fight other Flawless teams?" ... which has mostly been met with vocal opposition by the Lighthousers. My question is [b]why[/b]? Most posts I see that're like "No don't make the flawless teams fight each other!" are usually the same people that try to preach about how ToO is supposed to be a "for the skilled only" and "haha let's wreck scrubs", etc. ... an air of arrogance surrounds them. There's a feeling of genuine accomplishment and superiority they try to convey when talking about their flawless runs. How many flawless runs they did, and so forth. However, when the idea that they may have to fight [i]equally skilled teams[/i] that whole bravado is replaced by a resounding protest. Buttholes pucker in fear. Testicles coil upwards as they nervously hammer out a response on the forums. If ToO is supposed to be a legitimate "the best of the best" PvP Arena event, this is naturally the only way to truly see who's the best team, so if you're actually good then fighting teams of your own skill-tier shouldn't actually be a problem. The only reason why any Lighthouser should be afraid of a "9-0ers Only" matchmaking would be if they [i]were carried to the Lighthouse[/i] or built their streak cherry-picking for matches against lower leveled, under-equipped teams. There's no denying the logic that the true Crucible beasts should be just fine when fighting teams of the same skill, unless they weren't as good as they claim to be. So what's a legitimate counter-argument to the proposal of a "9-0ers Only" matchmaking?

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  • Easy fix: once that character had turned in a 9-0 ticket (or even three of them just so the losers can feel great about needlessly playing just to spoil it for other people) they can't play trials anymore that weekend. There's no trials rep to be gained, so they're not cut off from anything important. They've gotten their gear and can't get anymore so they're not missing out. They're just playing to serve their own egos. [spoiler] I'm terrible at pvp. I've gotten better and actually had a pretty good iron banner with my warlock and hunter. Even if this happened I wouldn't get to 9-0 very quickly or maybe ever. [/spoiler] Guys playing trials the entire weekend with the whole point being nothing but spoiling a chance at 9-0 for others is a bit ridiculous. On the flip side, make trials a one time ticket every week. Once you lose, you lose. No turning in a ticket and getting another. 9-0 players are done, but so are people that don't make it. THAT would make the trials truly unique and challenging even for the best. Commence "trophies for everyone" flame posts......... NOW (even though that's not at all what I'm arguing).

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    • I would like to see card based matches ie 6 win zero loss fight 6 win zero loss when possible.

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    • 작성자: Laiho 6/10/2015 3:27:26 PM
      I don't care what team my team has to face in Trials since when we found another team we have to face them anyways there is no backing out or we will get a loss so either scrubteam or flawless team we will rek them regardless Kappa

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    • I'm opposed to it because literally the only times I've lost in Trials was to either Final rounders, lag switchers (teleporting across the map, not taking damage when being shot), and Last Word teams (they beat my team once.) I don't mind running into the last one every now and then, but the first two, final rounders and laggers, no thank you. It would greatly increase your chances of meeting these teams if Bungie forced flawless teams to play each other.

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    • It wouldn't make a difference because at the end of it.. All players are going to be 9-0 therefore ending up at the same pool again.. You guys are going to bitch about it again..assuming bungie actually listens to your bullshit.. When you get your 9-0 you get transferred to the "elite" matchmaking.. [b][u]you'll start bitching about it again?[/u][/b]

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    • Let's break this down. I'm assuming you want people to play people of equal skill because it will allow lower skill level players to get to the lighthouse. That's not true. If you are constantly playing people of equal skill level the odds you win that match are around half. If you keep winning you play better teams. This means you are very unlikely to get 9-0 as losses are pretty much inevitable as you move up through the skill brackets. The same is true for people who are in the higher skill bracket so all this does is make it harder for better players. If they implement this it will only be easy for literally the best players to get to the lighthouse and it won't be any easier for the lower skill level players. As has been suggested the best fix is to prevent people who have won that week from playing team that haven't. This will make it progressively easier for worse teams to get there as the weekend goes on and good teams can still play and have a challenge.

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      • Because then at some point all the less skilled players will just play against each other and will keep doing so until most of the players are forced into the 9-0 matchmaking...

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      • See, I actually enjoy trials because I am expecting stiffer competition. I enjoy the game mode, and rules. I enjoy the competitive environment. That is why I would continue playing after a 9-0 run as well, it's the only controlled "challenge" you may come across. Why should I be punished and forced to play the easier, less thrilling playlists after going 9-0? I'm just going to thrash those playlists much quicker and easier, because chances are they are not a coordinated team.

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        • Thats cuz many flawless runners get "lucky" with their runs and face very few legitimate teams. Dont get me wrong there are some insane teams, but when many preach how "easy" it is and "you'll get lucky". Couple times now id be 9-0 if we drew a shit bag team rather than 5-0 wrecking crew. Or got lucky like some and had opponents lag out. Once again there are very good teams and deserve it but when matches are decided on connection speed and not skill... it tarnished the true badasses of Trials.

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          • Pug stomping is one of the best ways to inflate and keep a k/d.

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            • Here is what i think. Get to the lighthouse you can access the elimination game type on the same map for the remainder of the week. Your card will record your wins- losses-kd ration-overall score. At the end of the week, the top 5% of guardians (not teams) get an ultra rare emblem. With that flawless pass card they can still help out others in the ToO but it wont count toward their weekly standing. Only by going into the flawless elimination game type against other flawless guardians can they hope to earn the emblem. The flawless elimination game type is only open to guardians who go 9-0 in that weeks trials. Those who got carried or lobby hopped to find easy targets to get to 9-0 wouldnt even stand a chance against those that are truly skilled and truly deserving of being in the top 5%.

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            • People want the easy win.

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            • You ever watched two teams try and out lag switch each other??? That's why

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            • Please read: [quote]No it isn't. No they don't. Yes, why are you finding this difficult to understand? Your argument is flawed, because it demonstrates a fundamentally flawed view of how Trials works. You are assuming that talent is EQUALLY distrubuted and that everyone who enters the contest has an equal chance of running into someone that will beat them. Simply not true. Matches are made based on CONNECTION SPEED. So who you play is a product of who LIVES near you, and thus has has a similar ping time. So you could live in densely populated area and have a high chance of running into a buzzsaw....or in a sparsely populated one, and a lower chance of doing so. Plus as players get their gear, most good players will "cash out" and move on to other parts of the game....or comeback to "backpack" lesser players. So ANYONE who plays late in the week will ALWAYS have less of a chance of running into a team that beats them. The gear that is dropping in Trials is OPTIMIZED for pvp. The "Adept" versions just have elemental damage thrown in, in case the owner wants to go play end-game PvE and not have to change gear. This is not about the Lighthouse. It is about a small subset of VERY good players that are ALREADY better than most....THEN being given gear that then MAGNIFIES that gap. You will slowly create a situation where others can't compete. That is why sports league don't let last year's champions go FIRST in the draft. Which is why professional sports leagues sho more parity and more competitiiveness than their college sports counterparts. College athletics employ a winner-take-all approach....which is why all major college sports are DOMINATED by a small number of programs. That hand the championship hardware back and forth between them. Trials is headed in that same direction.[/quote]

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              • why do non lighthousers think they shouldn't have to fight us?

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                • Ive got no problem with skill based matchmaking..I believe it would.make it almost nearly impossible for anyone to get "carried" by two 9-0ers like Ive seen in streams and such..which in all honesty would probably bother more people than you think. It may become more difficult for some people at the top..and bottom of the bell curve to find matches and not run into duplicate teams. These people would face more lag (due to locality and limited matches) and other annoying things. During my trials experience Ive faced teams that outright crushed us...and teams that we outright crushed and other close/good games in between. The most rewarding were indeed the close matches so I could see having skill based matching as a positive for the overall experience. But heed my words...this wouldnt stop the whining..some people will still think that its not good enough..rather than the truth...they are not good enough

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                • Playing competitive cod and being an amateur pro at it helped me on this game even though I barely started ToO weber had solid victories so far against lighthouse kids.!"[spoiler]im lvl33[/spoiler]

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                • 작성자: III R17 III 6/10/2015 4:24:43 PM
                  Came up against 6 teams, who've all went flawless (could tell as they all had the exotic title on) on Saturday with my Hunter. Beat every team, and got to the lighthouse for a 3rd time. Best 2 hours I've played - (The sweat was real). Beat some teams 5-2 or 5-1. The best game we played was when we were 4-0 down, and won 5-4. Instantly, we all messaged them saying GG and not one complained. However, there was this one team who needed one win and we beat them. They were not happy...

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                  • Would work for awhile but eventually everyone would be 9-0 because lower skilled players would play lower skilled players means lower skilled players would win more meaning maybe a 9-0 so that means you now play against other flawless teams .. Now you are never going flawless again because now you are going against real flawless players !!! But now there's another problem. Now we don't know who the skilled players are anymore because everyone would have the emblem..

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                  • What if I help someone who hasn't played any ToO and I've done all my ToO already?

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                  • Here's one. If you haven't been to the lighthouse you can't play trials anymore. Problem solved. All flawless ppl would play other flawless ppl and those that aren't good enough can go patrol

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                  • I'm only against this because it makes it easier for everyone else. Everyone should be in the same matchmaking pool.

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                    • I say make em fight each other. I. The lighthouse. For an exclusive item. But in order to get to the lighthouse you still need to get through trials as is. Exclusive lighthouse playlist. Win 5 games, single elimination. Rewards: Pick an exotic from the list. Other rewards. Build your own legendary weapon from the available perk trees for that weapon. Like the gunsmith, but you can pick your perks.

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                    • 작성자: Beasel 6/10/2015 2:27:19 PM
                      I've noticed with my friends that are good with pvp that they finish their 9-0 tickets x3 within the first few hrs on Friday and then proceed to help their friends that aren't as skilled at pvp. When they run it in the beginning they are running with the same guys they always do and usually win most matched 5-1 or 5-2 bc everyone in their fireteam is good at pvp and can win most heads up encounters on their own. When they help their friends out after obtaining their flawless, that fireteam isn't nearly as good as their original so they have a harder time. If they went up against only flawless guys then they would get beat down more often and discouraged to help out their friends that aren't as good at pvp. I would rather see some type of skill based match making which I think they are testing with the elimination game mode that's out for this week.

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                      • Why the butt rash? The ToO groups that massacred me deserve the lighthouse. They were better. No need to balance the game mode. Be good to win. Last week my teammates bailed last two rounds of third loss. I made the enemy team chase me down on round 4. It was a fun round of cat and mouse. Round 5 I ran to the back of the map and danced. They walked up and shot one round simultaneously with Hc's then surrounded my ghost and danced. They deserve what ever reward they got. ToO gear is a symbol of skill. Why take it away. It is one of the few things that players must earn.

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                        • This is exactly what's going to happen if it's 9-0 against other 9-0. The people who haven't gone 9-0 yet will be put against other scrubs. Those who emerge 9-0 will have to now face the rest of us who've been scraping all along. Then you will cry again that you can't go 9-0 anymore

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