So let's just say there is the tier system and flawless plays only flawless. Let's say you and your team( just for the sake of my point) are in the lower tier and you go flawless, great lighthouse here we come. Now you have gone flawless and you are feeling good do you decide to go back into trials. But since you just went flawless you get bumped up a tier and now are playing against people that are supposedly better then you. Now you are getting stomped and not having any fun. Now we are back in the same place.

I'll give you my honest opposing opinion. I'm a lighthouser, but I'll try to keep it civil as possible. The simple answer is: It makes getting 9-0 much easier and takes away it's prestige. I don't think I have to explain how segregating flawless players makes attaining flawless easier, so I'll move on. Trials is the endgame for many players who prefer pvp. It's the PvE equivalent of a raid. Those who trained hard to get good at PvP whilst getting almost no rewards for almost a year want to feel special when they go 9-0. If you want to segregate flawless players, fine, but at least give us rewards for making the game harder for us. For example: Make a tier two trials where the best play against the best. If you go flawless there you get a different emblem and the same guns, with a chance at exclusive armor. Do you see what I'm trying to say? Meet us halfway. If you want the guns, fine. Make us stand out for our hard work though.

This is the only Pvp game I have played where professionals play with newbies All others have a ranking system I got to platinum in starcraft 2 a couple of times beat a few diamonds and one grandmaster I actually don't want to play against scrubs. When you play better people you get wrecked from the bad habits of playing scrubs Eventually only high levels will play TOO and that will be that

If it were to work with flawless matching with flawless, In all reality, everyone would come close to, or go flawless at one point or another. You'd basically be handing out a flawless to everyone that plays, which is the complete opposite of what the game type is supposed to be. I hear PoE has some stuff you can get, why all the infatuation with PvP? If you aren't good at it, don't play trials, just like the people who don't like PvE don't play PvE. All in all, you're making the decision to play TOO, and you aren't good enough to make the cut. Stick to something else and gain some practice

Because 90% of them cheated or were carried. Haven't been in a match against three decent players yet, just teams with one guy who is f ucking undefeatalbe. Trials is a joke, the heat maps say all you need to know about it. Only about 4% of the map gets used. Jetpacks on our backs and people still want to sit still, a mile away, and snipe you.

I am one of those 9-0 guys. Yes I have done 3 weeks on 3 characters. Plus multiple runs to help others. I have played against good teams and bad. I feel skill based should be in the ToS. I and others are up for that consistent challenge. The deal with it now, is if we blow out a team. It is not fun for us and definitely not fun for them. I would gladly accept skill based.

Can't stand the crucible but punishing skilled players for being skilled doesn't seem like a fix. If someone spends a great deal of time to become good in Pvp, easily killing less skilled opponents seems like a fair reward. It's endgame Pvp content, the skilled should kill the weak.

Lol ur argument sucks. Basically you want to wait for all the good kids to go nine and 0 then u can get an easy 9 and 0 run. If you cant win u better go practice. Its pretty sad really. The point is to compete and u want to kick the competition out. Too is for good kids. Its impossible to win if u suk unlike the the pve content. Sorry sir but you are not good enough to go 9 and 0. Just buy an account with the gear and shaders. Lol you will have better luck.

A poem for the elitist lighthouser's There is no form in the forums We really should mourn the morons Cuz this is a new breed of stupid... Darwin is getting involved with cupid Dumb and entitled is what it will make Creating this new elitist special snowflake Flawless in the Trials... you go around bragging We all know its just your internet lagging Thorn and fellwinters is all you use... When i see that... its like lighting my fuse Im going with a bang and will blow up in your face Gaining on you fast... like im running a race No time for slowing or stopping Your head will soon be popping You wont see me coming... even if you looked through the hubble I could have a neon sign on top of my bubble Turn left or right??.. it doesn't matter which way People look at your stats... was he AFK?? Got you raging now... throwing a fit Mowing you down with husk of the pit Booted from the game or did you forfeit? I slapped you so hard it sent you back to orbit. So you power down your console whilst starting to blub Head over to the forums with comments like "git gud scrub" It wasn't me who had to rage quit It's clearly because you are just shit But what is the reason for all of the salt? Every death is someone else's fault I think i finally understand the problem Its because you heavily depend on your mum Living in her basement playing 24/7 Stocked up with cheetos from the 7/11 The toilet you use is really a bucket Have you been outside cuz it doesn't look it?? At the end of destiny... when it's all said and done Your 20 stone heavier with arthritis in your thumb Your health is in decline and its becoming more gradual All those hours ploughed in to get beat by a casual. So i urge you now to go outside... stop being a wussy You never know... you might actually get some pussy!! [spoiler]Just so you know... I've never been in ToO or PVP much at all tbh. I just like making mad rhymes and dislike elitists[/spoiler]

First off I've gone flawless every week.... My teams tactics and adjustment of tactics has payed off three weeks in a row. And no I'm not bragging, hell my pvp stats aren't that great and I'll completely admit that. The argument against the "flawless matchmaking" would be that you would outright be handing away trips to the lighthouse unless of course the matchmaking was based off of account stats and not character stats. The noob players would only fight noobs and the flawless would only fight flawless players..... Well the difference between the noobs and the moderate players isn't that much so you would be essentially handing out lighthouse trips to them whereas everyone else would have to work for it. Having said that I don't and wouldn't mind facing better teams since the most rewarding matches in trials have been the ones we had to fight for instead of just steamrolling people. I just think that being matched based on skill would take away the reward of going flawless and not promote people to get better at pvp. That's like saying well buddy your not too good at raids so instead were gonna let you do the daily heroic for your raid rewards.

As a flawless player I would like to see all teams that go flawless be match made only with other flawless teams For that weekly trials . Example - go flawless and you want to keep playing , sure but you will be only faced with other flawless teams until reset ..

People who want this are the same people that pushed Atheon, and lagged out Crota so he couldn't stand back up.