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작성자: DanTheThriller 5/26/2015 4:12:16 PM
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A Lighthouse Solution

This weekend, it became very clear that HoW's new endgame reward (the infamous Lighthouse) created as many problems (cries of inequity) as it solved (the lack of elite PvP player rewards). If you're like me, you've been playing since day 1 and lived through the fusion rifles that were effectively shotguns AND sniper rifles, salvage matches with ridiculous capture spawn locations, and the like. If you're like me, then you're also significantly better at PvE than PvP. While I'm all for rewarding skill, I think Bungie totally bungled The Lighthouse implementation: the rewards are significantly better than PoE's, the space is a much better PvP reward than anything PoE has, and its limited time nature makes it harder to coordinate player schedules (I personally play primarily midweek.). Feel free to throw in the issues with disconnects, server errors, matchmaking, lag switches, weapon balance, etc. In spite of that, elite players deserve to be rewarded for their skills. The real mistake arises from Destiny having no PvE comparison in HoW. Since The Lighthouse exists, there should be a PvE pathway to it, as well. For people complaining about gamers wanting things handed to them, that's not what I want. I want a PvE challenge to EARN access to The Lighthouse. Level 36 PoE? Okay. PoE Nightfall? Okay. As a WoW vet, I loved the challenge of finally cracking a 40 man raid, server first. If I'm being honest, PoE is currently a joke and ToO flawless is far more challenging. To sum it up, Bungie can make both halves of their player base happy by sharing the reward for a consummate PvE challenge. People can spout, "git gud" all they want, but what was my reward for Flawless Raider? A trophy. Wow. That reward really changed my gaming experience. You're telling me that being in the top 1.1% of PvE players (I also have Guardian Lord: 0.7%) doesn't deserve access to The Lighthouse? I'm not selfish enough to be backpacked there (though I've done it many a time in PvE), and the PvE solution could be as simple as a monumental PvE challenge. I'm up for it. TL;DR: Destiny should have an elite PvE challenge that grants access to The Lighthouse, and it should be of consummate difficulty to ToO's flawless victory requirement. EDIT: I do not want them to make anything easier. I am going to keep working on flawless (I have already gone 5-0 and 4-0 without boons). This is a proposed solution to quell the masses, and it highlights the lack of hardcore PvE content/rewards.

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  • 작성자: I2espiratory 5/27/2015 6:37:30 PM
    So here is my 2 cent (really who came up with that saying) Keep the lighthouse closed for flawless ToO. Make lvl 35 a guaranteed elemental drop (or something awesome let your mind wonder) but only once per character or leave it like it is. Here is why I say leave it like it is, correct me where I'm wrong. Once you complete a flawless on trails you don't get to do it again for another lighthouse chest open (on that character) so pve lvl 35 should also only get 1 guaranteed or have an unlimited possible drop (like it is now). Unless you can do flawless trails multiple times on the same character I say leave pve as is or make it a once a week gurantee like trails That's fair no?

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  • Dear Lord stop the whining. This is getting really pathetic.

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    • Can't get to the treasure room via pvp.

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    • 작성자: DJOEL914 5/27/2015 5:49:37 PM
      I think that ToO is the PvP end game thing and PvE has VOG, Crota, and PoE. There's three end game content. We get lighthouse and ToO rewards, but I like your idea too. More rewards overall for me.

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    • 작성자: ConnorCT10 5/27/2015 5:37:38 PM
      Big pve player here but your comparing the lighthouse with PoE Think of the bigger picture the pvp players had iron banner for 8months while the pve players had nightfalls, weekly, daily, raids, queens wrath and the campaign The lighthouse is the least bungie could do If anything pvp need more rewards for the skilled No offence but your just jealous

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      • The Lighthouse = Treasure Room [b]Get over yourself[/b].

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        • I read most of your post and I think the best solution to PVE players reaching the lighthouse is to suck it up and go flawless in trials. I've not been there yet, most likely won't for a long time, but I'm not complaining. PVE has its lot and so does PVP. If you choose to limit yourself to half the game then there will be things you miss out on. Whose fault is that - Bungie's, the rest of the player base, or yours?

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          • Get good u scrub

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            • 작성자: pookidook 5/27/2015 5:21:19 PM
              PvE also had two raids...this is the only time PvP had a decent end game to play for. It is extremely fair since you can't have a VoG atmospheric moment in a crucible match.

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              • I dunno, maybe a lap dance from the Queen would be a pretty cool PvE end game reward...

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                  It's fine the way it is...

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                  • There are so many rewards for doing well in PvE, but only the Lighthouse for PvP. I think it's more than fair.

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                  • Not mercury, that goes hand in hand with the trials. Maybe that blocked room on the front of the reef...

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                    • The real problem everyone should be acknowledging, is the content, or the lack of. How many times do I wanna play ToO or PoE b4 I lose my f-ing mind. I am so bored with both of them. Don't get me wrong I love destiny, but waiting as long as we did for new content, I just feel like there should have been so much more. Let the hate mail commence.

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                      • I think if pve players go flawless in any of the 3 challenge levels of poe should grant access

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                        • It's really not that hard to get nine wins, I did it 3 times and one of the times was just to help somebody, just put in the work, find a good fire team and hope for the best.

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                        • One- don't try to bring your blizzard crap here. These are two very different games. Two- the forums have been littered with this suggestion and others like. Think about it like this, PvE as 5 exclusive exotic guns while PvP has one, that isn't even out yet. I too think they need to make it a little easier to get to the lighthouse. But it should still be through the trials as the lighthouse is an Osiris based area.

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                          • How about a task list that you have to do? Complete PoE nightfall and PoE lvl 36 with exotics disabled Complete 1 hard mode raid using only blue rarity guns Have a melee be the finishing blow to atheon Level any faction twice Find the hidden key (available ONLY in loot chests from patrol) Tbag the broom bot Kill a total of 5000 enemies that are (random race)

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                            • How is an empty space for 3 people where all you can do is open one chest and go back "much better" than 4 new Arenas where you can actually fight and play the game in the PoE?

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                              • Having a key to unlock a level 35 should yield just as good of a reward than the light tower I assume? Either way both tasks take a while and some effort - it shouldn't be easy by any means. The only thing is there's grimoire with it so if you want that credit you'll have to try. I literally play 5% or less PvP and got 6 wins before my 3 losses so I can see it happen if everything is in good favor,especially if all those boosts are purchased to help the wins.

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                                • Lets look at this logic from a PvPers point of view. If I can't beat crota hard mode for whatever reason should I have bungie make it easier for me to beat it and obtain the drops from defeating Crota? Every person with the expansion has the same chance of getting to the lighthouse as we all do. There is no prejudice. To the people who are crying I am sorry you are butthurt about being bad at the game. Unfortunately you need to get gud and learn to Destiny bros.

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                                • That's like saying there should be a pvp way to get to the Queens Burrows. You should only be rewarded by showing skill wether it's pve or pvp. I disagree with the "all players deserve all content" thing. Come on guardians, work for it.

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                                  • It would make no sense in the Canon to go to the lighthouse for any PvE activity Something new entirely would make the most sense. Like you would go to the Queen's chambers and she would give you an elemental primary and an Etheric Light. [spoiler]and a blowjob[/spoiler]

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                                    • I'm absolute trash at PvP. I always play PvE. But I started playing trials and I love it. Those who go 9-0 (or 7-1 with aid) deserve to get what they get. PvE doesn't NEED anything like the lighthouse. We have enough. Let the PvP players have their own thing for once

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                                    • I enjoyed your post and ideas. Some people love to game but are just okay with pvp stuff. Thanks for your post.

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                                      • You have to understand pvp is so much harder. It absolutely deserves a lighthouse. Anyone can complete prison of elders/raids etc. PVP requires so much more so if you're good enough to get those rewards you deserve it.

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