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작성자: CrazyLincoln
7/31/2015 6:43:06 PM
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I don't support the troops.
Memorial Day in America is coming up this Monday. We're to remember all those who died in prior wars protecting America from attack and protecting freedom!
Welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave. Let's all remember... but wait, this is all bullshit.
The United States isn't in threat of being invaded. In fact, the last time the country was invaded by a state was 1814 when the White House was burned to the ground by the British.
Here is a list of the countries the United States has had military involvement in:
[quote]The following is a list of countries invaded by the US forces (naval, military and ultimately air forces) since its inception in order of major incidents. This catalogue derives heavily form the work of US academic Dr Zoltan Grossman's article “From Wounded Knee to Libya : a century of U.S. military interventions” [1], Gideon Polya's book ‘Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” (that includes a brief history of all countries since Neolithic times) [2] and William Blum's book “ Rogue State ” [3]. This list includes instances of violent deployment of US forces within America (e.g. against demonstrators, miners etc), and includes small-scale bombing and military intervention operations, military evacuations of Americans and specific instances of explicit threats of use of nuclear weapons. The list does not include the 1801-1805 US Marine Barbary War operations against Barbary pirates based in Morocco , Algeria , Tunisia and Libya , and also ignores massive US subversion of virtually all countries in the world.
(1) American Indian nations (1776 onwards, American Indian Genocide; 1803, Louisiana Purchase; 1844, Indians banned from east of the Mississippi; 1861 onwards, California genocide; 1890, Lakota Indians massacre), (2) Mexico (1836-1846; 1913; 1914-1918; 1923), (3) Nicaragua (1856-1857; 1894; 1896; 1898; 1899; 1907; 1910; 1912-1933; 1981-1990), (4) American forces deployed against Americans (1861-1865, Civil War; 1892; 1894; 1898; 1899-1901; 1901; 1914; 1915; 1920-1921; 1932; 1943; 1967; 1968; 1970; 1973; 1992; 2001), (5), Argentina (1890), (6), Chile (1891; 1973), (7) Haiti (1891; 1914-1934; 1994; 2004-2005), (8) Hawaii (1893-), (9) China (1895-1895; 1898-1900; 1911-1941; 1922-1927; 1927-1934; 1948-1949; 1951-1953; 1958), (10) Korea (1894-1896; 1904-1905; 1951-1953), (11) Panama (1895; 1901-1914; 1908; 1912; 1918-1920; 1925; 1958; 1964; 1989-), (12) Philippines (1898-1910; 1948-1954; 1989; 2002-), (13) Cuba (1898-1902; 1906-1909; 1912; 1917-1933; 1961; 1962), (14) Puerto Rico (1898-; 1950; ); (15) Guam (1898-), (16) Samoa (1899-), (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013).[/quote]
http://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm
The troops are protecting my freedom? Sure they are. Keep telling yourself that the troops are the only thing keeping other governments from attacking the United States.
The troops are an invading force. They are not a force for defense. Prove me wrong if you can.
[spoiler]You can't.[/spoiler]
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1 답변My grandfather was in Vietnam. He told me stories of the atrocities he witnessed there. To this day he still wakes up with nightmares of it. He told me that everything he witnessed and the things he did in his two years there was worth it, to ensure that my mother (his daughter) and I could live free and happy, without the fear of being attacked by a foreign military. You can diss the armed forces all you want, but if it wasn't for them, everyone would either be speaking German or Russian right now. My thanks goes out to all the brave men and women in the military who are ready to defend this country at a moments notice. It's because of you that we can all go on living our normal lives without the fear of invasion.
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I'll post up a more serious response. So both my parents served in the Navy. In fact, it's where they met. Now, they didn't join because they were swept off their feet by the frenzy of American patriotism. They joined because they wanted to get away. They wanted to get away from their home lives and try to start something new. Whenever I ask them about it, there's no hint of patriotism or protecting freedom whatsoever. What the military offered for them was a new start. And they got it.
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7 답변Who sends the troops into conflict? Politicians. Who gets to choose politicians? You. See where this is going?
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5 답변I'm with you. Killing innocent civilians in a foreign country just because someone orders you too? These people should be considered criminals, not heroes.
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19 답변Please go to a VFW hall and say this to a 90 year old WW2 vet, I bet he knocks your stupid ass out cold.
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While I wouldn't say I don't support the American troops As I'm not sure exactly how I stand on that yet I will say I don't support what the troops are being used for. How it's a tool to further instill racism (and race phobia, hate crimes, and fear mongering) How it's used by civilians as a false badge of pride and honor and how those who aggressively support troops (saying things like "if you're not behind our troops you can stand in front if them") tend to be ignorant, close minded hateful beings. It embarrasses me to see the hundreds of American flags all over establishments right now
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You can have your own opinion, but its Memorial Day. Regardless of whether you think its right or not for our troops to be going to other nations, just remember two things. One, they do their job. They receive orders and execute them. And two, you cant go back to the Native American genocide with a topic like this. Back then, all Europeans and Americans considered them to be savages. That was a different time. What happened to the Native Americans wasnt ideal, but it would've happened no matter what country came to America. It's Memorial Day, dude. You can have your own opinion, but dont disrespect the men and women who have died. To any service members out there, I give my thanks.
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2 답변If you don't stand behind feel free to stand in front. How about this, soldiers don't fight for big ideas like freedom and democracy you ignorant baboon. Soldiers fight because they want their families safe, they fight because they're told to do so for the good of the country and they don't always get to know how so. They join to change something, either in the world or in themselves. Let me lay some historical knowledge on your ignorant ass. [quote]During the the First World War the German empire offered an alliance to Mexico in an attempt to gain power to attack the US. This was called the Zimmermann telegram and I'm not talking about the one that shot that thug. It's famous so look it up.[/quote] [quote]December 7, 1941. An American naval base in the Pacific was attacked by Japan in an attempt to destroy the American navy due to America refusing to trade with Japan and to prevent the U.S. From joining the war.[/quote] [quote]February 15. 1898 the USS Maine exploded while protecting US interests during a Cuban revolt. Now believed to be an accident but impossible to know at the time.[/quote] [quote]domination of Native American lands. The fact is when countries grow and civilization expands they must have room to allow for that growth. The natives and Americans fought. They lost. Get over it.[/quote] [quote]1851 Ottoman Empire massacres a group of foreigners including Americans leading to military action[/quote] [quote]march 11, 1853 troops sent to Nicaragua in order to protect American civilians and assets[/quote] The list goes on. People like you know nothing of war, violence, or the ways of the world. You sit safely and take for granted the protection you have because some people sacrifice everything to give it to you. Then you come up and disrespect them. I don't give a -blam!- if you don't support current operations, I know I don't. I don't think we should prevent the inevitable collapse of the Middle East at all. But you better support those men over there because they left their families to do their duty. I cannot stand people who take that gift for granted. You are a disgusting human being.
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작성자: Cultmeister 5/25/2015 11:28:27 AMHave respect for the people who put their lives on the line for their country, not the wars they fought which may or may not be right depending on your point of view. Criticising the reasoning for conflict is essential for making moral foreign policy, but unfortunately some people see that as criticism of the troops, which in their mind is unfair given what they're prepared to do for the country.
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3 답변Soldiers don't get angry over the ingrates and instead just appreciate those who do support them. Say soldiers are an "invading force" all you want, and I'll just take comfort that they are doing good things out there for both the US and innocent civilians in the area.
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1 답변Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own walk of life. I will be supporting the troops and will be dedicating tomorrow to them. I respect your opinion and I hope you have a great Memorial Day!
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42 답변I have 3 cousins in the military and I support them all. They choose to serve, to protect the rights of the people of America and the people of other countries who need help and do not have the same human rights people in America have. The military is not supposed to take over other countries, but help the people living in them. They are there so protect and give others human right that everyone should have. Memorial Day is supposed to horror the people who died trying to give the people of the world rights that everyone that no matter their race, religion, or nationality should be allowed to have. Believe what you want.
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19 답변We need troops to protect us from the bad guys. When we fight the bad guys we are killing some people's father's and brothers and destroy the areas economy. With not many other options they become the next generation of bad guys. It's a horrible cycle that feeds back into its self. If we got rid of the troops bad things would happen. If we keep the troops bad things happen elsewhere. It's sad but there's almost nothing we can do about it.
