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원본 게시물 출처: Best heavy vs omnigul (arc burn)
5/13/2015 1:35:21 PM
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Gonna have to go with Gjallarhorn on this one. I've downed her successfully twice this week with Gally. But Wheeze, what about arc rocket launchers! 1) don't have one. 2) the biggest problem with Omniguhl is the damn wizards she spawns in hovering around her. Gally does a huge burst of damage to them and helps clear them out. As for Omniguhl, drop her shields with Fatebringer/Light of the Abyss, pump some Gally shots into her, rinse and repeat. Thunderlord? Really? Why would I use Thunderlord? That requires me to expose myself as I try to pump rounds into her. That's the biggest problem with all MGs, the enemy is shooting back while you shoot at them. Rocket launchers let you pop out of cover, fire and forget about your target. Besides, Thunderlord is an underwhelming exotic. I'd rather use any arc legendary MG.
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  • You upgrade that bad boi? It has higher RoF than any other MG with that impact because of its perk. It deals massive damage in smaller amounts of time. But I do agree. MGs are good for spread out heavy damage while rockets are good for a quick burst of raw power

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  • Yes, I do have it upgraded. I've had it since December, I didn't just pick it up over the weekend (not that I'm hating on those who did). Also, too, Thunderlord has a slightly higher ROF with a smaller impact than Against All Odds/Jolder's Hammer. Look... For an exotic, Thunderlord just isn't that good. I get it, it's cool as hell, and I was thrilled when it dropped for me, but I already got really lucky with a really good Arc Against All Odds (Smart Drift Control, Rangefinder, Field Scout, Crowd Control). Thunderlord doesn't do anything [b]reliably[/b] that my AAO can't do (random firefly effects don't do it for me). Once Thunderlord's exotic perk kicks in, you've already exposed yourself to a tremendous amount of enemy fire. The only place it would really shine in terms of raw DPS is against Atheon, but if you're using your exotic for an MG in VoG, it's probably gonna be SGA and you're just going to Black Hammer him to death. I'll say it again, Thunderlord is a solid all around MG and cool as hell. I love Hard Light, cause I also think it's cool as hell, but as far as exotics go, it's in the same place as Thunderlord. Looks cool. Sounds cool. Fun to use. Not worth an exotic slot.

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  • You're seriously putting it in the same bin along with Hard Light? Geez.

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  • Yeah. You already agreed that MGs are good for long term DPS, but this game doesn't favor long term DPS in end game content. The longer you're exposed, the more danger you're in, and Thunderlord's exotic perk depends on you firing it for long periods of time. It's too risky. Going full auto out in the open is fine for Roc strikes or story missions, suicide for Nightfalls or raids. If its firefly effect proc'd [b]every time[/b] as well, ok, we could talk, because that would also allow you to pick and choose shots or lay in full auto, and it would be something that no other MG could do.

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  • 작성자: Shinymonk 5/13/2015 4:30:21 PM
    Actually me and the wife clear out the room first then attack omnibitch. This works well as Thunderlord eats her shield then continues to rip he appart while my wife has her stunned with the abyss defiant. This makes it so we do more damage before she is capable of spawning the next wave and having abyss there means she can tear through the wizard adds she spawns when they do spawn. Also usually when omnibitch stuns my wife fires an arc launcher round before continuing with the abyss. Edit: just to note I have gally and love it. I use it all the time but Thunderlord and this strategy wreck her.

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  • Haha, that's an awesome strategy. I'll have to try that if I 1) ever remember to take Abyss Defiant out of the vault and 2) do Nightfalls with anyone but randoms (I do Nightfalls in the morning before work, when none of my normal raid friends are on).

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  • Understandable. I'm lucky enough that my teammate is my wife so it makes strategies a ton easier.

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  • Two arc users and one packing solar can clean house very well.

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  • Underwhelming... Worth wasting an exotic slot is your best argument. But not underwhelming and not worse than any other mg based simply on the weapon stats and perks. People have already highlighted this but in case you didn't bother to look, you can reload with field scout and then switch to perfect balance and the machine fun wrecks. I agree with your cover issue when comparing it to rocket launchers. But that's the beauty of having two teammates to aggro for you ;). Thunderlord shits on gjally for arc burn. (If I could capitalize that period I would have)

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  • 작성자: Wheeze 5/13/2015 3:41:08 PM
    Thunderlord's exotic perk is wasted on this nightfall, because it only kicks in once the weapon has been fired for a few seconds. You will simply not survive in the Omniguhl room for more than 1-2 seconds, regardless of whether or not your teammates have drawn aggro. It also won't do much against her wizard posse once they spawn in, at least not fast enough before they murder you. If you're going to go the MG route, Thunderlord won't do anything that a well rolled arc Against All Odds/Jolder's Hammer/Deviant Gravity couldn't do. If this were say... Summoning Pits with Arc burn, yeah, Thunderlord will wreck, because you have a giant open arena and about 30 seconds of breathing room once the adds are dead and Phogoth is released. Omniguhl's room is too small, too cramped with things blocking your sight lines and too many arc adds. I have done Omniguhl with Thunderlord. I have done it with an arc MG. My fastest boss completions were with Gjallarhorn.

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  • Not if you're in that little nook and can afford being revived quickly ;). You make good points though. And while your quickest boss completions may be with a gjally, that certainly doesn't mean it's the fastest way possible. And in this case, it's not either.

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  • But if you're in the revive corner, you're not alive long enough for Thunderlord to kick in, so why use it over another legendary arc MG? The person below who mentioned comboing it with one person hitting her with Abyss Defiant, [b]that's[/b] a solid strategy. That would give you a chance to really poor some damage into her, but that's about the only realistic scenario I can see Thunderlord shining over another legendary arc MG.

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  • Be as stubborn as you like, you can get plenty of fire into her and you're mistaken in believing the extra damage is the same as another mg. It's MORE than another mg, not the same at its maximum output. So your own argument lends the other mgs to be less effective and less damaging. If you do get the time for it to be adding more damage then already at that point your argument is invalid. If you have abyss or a defender titans suppression grenade you're gravy. There are plenty of secondary methods of distracting, suppressing, confusing the witches/ wizards, the fact is that the thunderlord is better than other mgs during those times as well as without them.

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