I admit I use thorn and felwinters lie in pvp and I think it is too powerful a combo(or hawkmoon/tlw). I don't think the weapons should really be nerfed because that just leads to a new powerhouse weapon to take place. What if instead of a nerf, we just change hand cannons to a special weapon, they already has lower ammo count, stats are not that overpowered to really what other specials do and fit the niche of non primary weapons, just a thought. Post what you guys think of hand cannons and their dominance in crucible.