The cult of preordering is how this is achieved. By getting your commitment to purchase a game in advance, when all you've got to go on is a marketing campaign, you're signalling that you, as a consumer, are totally cool spending $40-$60 on a game simply on the strength of how it's been marketed. And it works, with many games tallying up preorder counts in the millions. Want to know why there aren't any demos anymore? This is why. Want to know why content is withheld from everyone's game and is instead sprinkled across various competing retailers? This is why. Want to know why there's now an accepted norm where those paying more for a game can sometimes gain competitive advantages? This is why. Publishers don't need to sell you on their games, because by slavishly throwing money down before they're even out, you've signalled your intent to take whatever it is they give you. So...maybe we could all just stop doing it? At least for big or even big-ish games (those that will be genuinely rare due to a limited production run, well, do what you gotta do!). Walk into a store the day a game is released, or a week after, and just buy the game then. You won't notice much of a difference. But retailers and publishers will. Eventually.

They haven't even revealed everything in the DLC yet. lol You are acting like you have already seen it all and because the DLC doesn't have a raid it won't be worth the money we paid for it? I personally will wait until it launches to judge if it was worth the $15 I paid for it. They still have to make the DLC appealing to people who didn't buy the Expansion Pass and give them a reason to buy it. You're not even giving them a chance. Why don't you hold your judgment until you have seen what the DLC offers? I think this post makes you look stupid. You have almost no information on the DLC but yet you're trying to tell people it isn't worth their money?

I made another post similar to this earlier. Gamers need to be better consumers. We aren't forced to buy a game or season pass.

I bought both HoW and The dark below together. who cares if there no new raid, The arena was said to have replayability. Meaning people will actually have a new experiance each time played. This is a great feeling knowing that every raid and strike is one specific path. I am excuted for HoW raid or not and if theres no raid now, it means they are working on comets atm and rather than 2 garbage raids there will be one huge awsome one.

I personally can't understand why people are already writing HoW off before they have even played it. If you play it and still think it's shit, then fair enough.

Yeah lesson learned. I wouldn't buy HoW had I known, but too late now. I bought the season pass expecting a couple of raids like VoG but seeing that isn't what expansions include I'll wait and see before buying future expansions.

You mean don't invest in a season pass before playing. Preorders just reserve a game you want, and usually net you some nice extras depending on the retailer. Unless you do it digitally (no refunds for digital purchases), brick and mortar stores will usually refund your deposit for a game if you decide you don't want to pick it up. Mine does at least.

They didn't promise any of these entitled TARDS anything.

Learned my lesson many years ago. I try to spread the word on these forums but people get angry when you try to help them

some of the burden should be placed on the developer also, they should quit putting out half-assed content regardless if we pre-paid for it or not.

Yes house of wolves does not have a raid. But did dark below have a arena. The arena is new. They did not specifically said two.

[b]They never promised a raid. The only said expansion pass. So technically, you payed for exactly for what you will get[/b]