The whole raid is pretty fun "legit" and takes team work and is mainly made hard not by the mechanics but by the glitches, if you know what the most common ones are you can quite easily work out ways around them. If you have a team of two of each class you can really easily cheese the raid in under half an hour. (Average players with average gear) The "hardest" part is Crota if you have any kind of connection issue. To minimise this is your main aim. Make sword bearer leader go to orbit sword bearer takes you all in, repeat until all bars are green; Then kill crota. There are many strats to down crota, use the one most ppl in the group are familiar with run through what ppls jobs are before you start it. I use the following strat with pug groups... [spoiler]Abyss: either a hunter with don't touch me solos it, or a titan or warlock does the wall jump, if they die after the jump it tends to bug out any way and the other five can easily just walk through the abyss hassle free anyway. Bridge: Titans can do the jump to the top (see you tube) a hunter jumps the bridge with the sword and stays on the bottom rocks, every one on the spawn side that hasn't either jumped up top or jumped the bridge die and self res locks ;) shoot the Ivor's from up top behind the pillar and from on top of something so the sword bearer doesn't hit you. Singer: three each side and just do it ligit it really isn't hard... Just remember as ppl go in solar grenade the doorway so they don't have to deal with adds. Crota: get all green connection bars, spawn some orbs where crota will spawn or right rock, talk through each persons responsibility in the encounter and what each person will do it each common glitch happens, ammo glitch, super the Knights, Center strat, titan bubble right and in doorway of ogre room with blessing of light, make as many orbs as possible through out the fight, super the damn adds it helps every one and the sword bearer stay alive easier.[/spoiler]

VoG hard is more of a challenge.

[quote]I was just wondering how hard you guys consider it[/quote] The hard part is getting a group to cooperate not killing crota

Not very.

Its not hard at all. Just play cautiously and plan with your group. The thing that makes it hard is the stupid crota insta-stand glitch.

It's no VoG but it's still decently challenging.

It gets easier each time. And to be honest, there aren't as many bugs as people say. Yeah sometimes the sword disappears, yeah sometimes boomers can shoot thru the floor. But people call things bugs and glitches only cause they don't like how things happen. Like for example, swordbearer runs far left. People only say that's a bug when they play hard mode. Yet it's the way people play on normal. The hardest part of Crota hard is listening to the excuses people make just so they don't have to say "damn, I screwed up".

He is rock hard when he is hard

Imagine crotas end on normal with a 30 percent damage nerf (if your 32) and the same glitchiness

It's fine once you have a decent team. It's the glitches that make it so painful. They said there working on it in the next patch.

Easy as -blam!-

He's easy if your group doesn't suck.

It's not hard, just everyone needs tracking rockets, a way to replenish health and microphones! Communication and coordination is the key and a real good swordbearer is essential. People give the swordbearers grief but they do the most work and should be commended:

Not super hard.. Just need to get a glitch free run and have a good group... Had one guy the other day trying to use song from the middle strategy... Needless to say we were calling for him to be booted because we didn't kill Crota...

It's only hard because of all the inconsistencies, even if your group is great Crota may just be like pssssh and kill u

It's not hard it's just boring.

I'd say it's harder than normal.

So hard he would make you choke😭

To actually do it the right way, I'd say only about 15% of people who beat it every week could actually get their whole team across the bridge. I've played with so many teams that can barely send 1 person across and some won't even try unless they despawn the thrall first. It's sickening that they never fixed it. Ruined the whole experience in my eyes, unless I only play with friends but honestly who always has 5 friends on at the same time every week. Unless you have no life and play 24/7

Bout tree fiddy.