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작성자: Der Sheff
1/8/2016 7:59:08 PM
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Optional Matchmaking / LFG: How to Implement
Additional Matchmaking Options; it’s on the wish list. Now that it is, let’s push them to get it ‘right.’ Here’s my take:
[b]Optional Matchmaking & In-game LFG Defined:[/b][spoiler]
First things first: I feel it necessary to define a couple things:
[b]Optional Matchmaking:[/b] this means players would have the ability to choose to add their guardian to a public lobby (and be paired accordingly) OR remain in a private lobby where their fireteam will remain autonomous, as with the existing system. Essentially, matchmaking would have an on / off switch.
[b]In-game LFG:[/b] the ability to access an LFG service in-game. In case you're new to the term LFG (Look(ing) For Group), it is a means by which you can post your Guardian's information for others to see, along with a specific activity you're looking to accomplish. This should look something like DestinyLFG.com, but be intuitively designed for console use.[/spoiler]
Here is how I would like to see activities split up:
[b]Optional Matchmaking:[/b]
Story Missions
Vanguard Strikes
Daily
Weekly
Nightfall
Prison of Elders 28, 32
[b]In-game LFG Service[/b]:
Raids
Prison of Elders 34, 35
Trials of Osiris
[b]Reasoning for the split:[/b][spoiler]
As someone who has played this game with matchmaking, friends and LFG, I [assume to] know that matchmaking and LFG are and are not the right fit for activities.
[b]Matchmaking:[/b]
Matchmaking doesn’t allow for a designated fire-team leader, allows players to port in to existing activities in progress and cheese rewards, presents AFK’ers, trolls (those who run over randoms with sparrows or drop bubble of rockets, things like that), and on and on. The downside(s) of optional matchmaking (OMM) are few and rarely encountered and certainly do not out way the convenience of having such an option. I believe that OMM is suitable for most three person PvE activities. I do not believe matchmaking is suitable for six person activities like raids, or in the Prision of Elders (34, 35) or in Trials of Osiris, hence a request for LFG.
[b]LFG Service:[/b]
Regarding the LFG service and the listed activities: anyone that has spent time in a raid or the House of Wolves Endgame (Prison of Elders and Trials) knows that communication is paramount, as with weapon selection and class selection. Sometimes you need a Warlock, Icebreaker, someone with a Mic., experienced relic wielder, something more than a random luck-of-the-draw. These are activities which also need a host, someone that can boot players that are trolling, people that go AFK or just need to be able designate a teamleader that has a save or promote a relic holders (for the glitchy raids). All reasons for an in-game LFG service over OMM.
[b]Crucible / Iron Banner:[/b]
You’ll notice that Crucible and Iron Banner are left off. I did that intentionally as I believe these are activities that demand ‘forced matchmaking,’ which isn’t to say that they couldn’t benefit from having ‘private matches’ as people have been requesting, but that is an argument to be made in a different post.[/spoiler]
[b]Implementation:[/b][spoiler]
[b]Optional Matchmaking[/b] – Tie it in with fire-team settings (Public for matchmaking and Friends only, Invite Only or Private for a private lobby), which activates at the destination pane or add the activities to the strike list and leave the destination pane for private lobbies. Meaning: the activities listed on the left of the screen on the Destination pane would be private, whereas the same list in the Strike Playlist would be matchmaking. Any ideas are welcome (I am seeking input from better minds than mine).
[b]In-game LFG[/b] – add to service terminals throughout the Tower and Reef. Again, something intuitive. Perhaps create a dashboard in the destination pane. (Again, I welcome input).[/spoiler]
Okay, I’ve said my piece, if you stuck with it, thank you (it was rather wordy). Please provide feedback so I can hone the argument and that we may get the results we want, rather than a software engineer’s half-hearted gesture (everyone knows Bungie is opposed to this, so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities that they saddle us with something that we don’t want – see the Weekly Heroic as an example).
[b]Comment, Bump, Like – it’s how Bungie notices these things.[/b]
[b]Special Thanks:[/b]
[spoiler]Sub Umbra Floreo
MinistrOfJustiz
Shadow4wolf
Lost Sols
XcEvilGenius
LightDance
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/127334775/0/0/1
And anyone else who’s supported this post[/spoiler]
[b]History of this post:[/b][spoiler]
Now that ‘Additional matchmaking options’ has been added to the wish list, a transition must be made. This post has been going since February and has taken on a few different forms. Initially this was a kneejerk reaction to added matchmaking to the Weekly Heroic (which I hated). It has since transitioned into a post asking to make all matchmaking optional and available to the rest of the endgame. So, now that Bungie put it on the wish list, I’d like to add my two-cents on how I would like to see it implemented and the different forms it should take.
Here are some links to the earlier versions of this post:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126478583/0/0/1
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/115961989/0/0/1
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1 답변[b]Simply Put:[/b] [A quote from Sub Umbra Floreo] [spoiler][quote]Bump for luck. Remember folks - this is neither a pro nor anti matchmaking debate ... it's about having the option to enable / disable matchmaking for all players (allowing those who want it to use it - and those who don't to avoid it). We're less than two weeks from HoW ... and only days / hours (it would seem) from the next big patch - and I for one am still hoping that someone at Bungie is listening (stranger things have happened). Remember that there's also the 'community wishlist' (https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/114521210/0/0) that Deej says they're paying attention to - so go add your voice if you haven't already. Because based on what he's currently listing as the 'most frequent' requests, either I'm way off in hoping that someone is listening ... or they're actively ignoring one of the most commonly requested features. :\[/quote][/spoiler] [b]A Case for Matchmaking / LFG:[/b] [spoiler] The fact of the matter is that this issue won’t go away and can’t simply be fixed by telling people: go to destinylfg.com or check the recruitment page of Bungie.net. While those are very good solutions, they fail to address the larger problem: no in game matchmaking / LFG service. I’ve seen it written that if a developer forces people to access third party services and / or services outside of the game itself, in order to access the full content of the game, they have failed to provide a complete game. Simply put, no matchmaking is a failure. As it is, this leaves a number of people alienated from, in my opinion, the greatest and most fun aspects of the game: raids. These people should be afforded the opportunity to access this content in game and do so at their discretion. Meaning: they can opt in to matchmaking groups or have access to in an in game LFG service. However, I have not seen a good case brought up in a single post as to how this should be implemented, which is what I am going to attempt to do here. [/spoiler] [b]Acknowledging the Dichotomy Player Preferences:[/b] [the case against matchmaking] [spoiler] I myself hate the existing matchmaking system and am opposed to it being added to any other feature of the game. I have been playing since day one and know how to assemble a fire team when I want to. This post was originally a post about asking Bungie to remove matchmaking from the weekly. It has since turned in to a post asking for it to be rendered optional or supplemented / replaced by an LFG service. Here is a link to the original post: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/115961989/0/0/1 [/spoiler] [b]A Happy Medium Solution:[/b] [[b][u]Optional Matchmaking & LFG[/u][/b]] [spoiler] Matchmaking made optional and made available for all of the higher difficulty aspects of the game: Daily Heroic, Weekly Heroic and Nightfall. I don't believe the raids are a good place for this service, hence the added request for LFG (more on that below). What [b]Optional Matchmaking[/b] would mean: players would be given [b]choice[/b] to opt in to and opt out of matchmaking for any activity, just as we have the option to now wear our helmets in the tower. What [b]Optional LFG[/b] would mean: an in game LFG would allow you to look for people that share your same goals, who have taken the time and put in effort to list their guardian. I believe this will help mitigate AFK'ers (to some extent) that plague the matchmaking process. It would also help ensure that people meet the requirements that your fireteam may have: titan bubble, tracking rocket, sword bearer, must have mic, etc. This also allows for a dedicated host, to remove players as needed. Seems fair to me; people that want matchmaking would have it, people that want to maintain private lobbies would still be able to do so. Sounds like a win / win solution. [/spoiler] [b]Suggestions on How to Implement Optional Matchmaking:[/b] [b]Use Fireteam Settings[/b] [spoiler] Ideally, I would love to see matchmaking tied in to our fire team settings. Here is how this would look: [b]Public:[/b] this is the matchmaking setting. You set your fire team to public and go in to a Daily Weekly or Nightfall and it sends you to the pool of players. [b]Friends Only:[/b] this is the first of the private lobby options. Your friends can join if they like and it prevents randoms from replacing them. Additionally, you can go in to an event with a many or as little players as you see fit, respective to the task at hand, of course. [b]Invite only:[/b] obviously this is for the solo player in all of us (rather, some of us), that acknowledges they may hit that stopping point where asking a friend to help is not out of the question. [b]Closed[/b]: for the ultimate badass that yields to no one, no how. A true declaration of independence; you hover your cursor over a friend’s G/T and see they are raiding solo and set to closed, you know that person means business. [/spoiler] [b]Use the Strike Playlist as a Matchmaking Forum[/b] [spoiler] Make the Nightfall and Weekly strikes that are listed in the strike playlist matchmaking. The strike icons on the destination screen should be private lobbies. [/spoiler] [b]Suggestions on How to Implement LFG:[/b] [b]*Add a Social Aspect to the Tower:[/b] [the last social place on earth should have an LFG function] [spoiler] It has been suggested by multiple people that an in game LFG service would solve the problem of building a raid team and I agree. Bungie should implement something to this affect. They could learn a lesson from DestinyLFG.com and add the same features to the tower, say at the bar area or at service terminals located throughout the tower. Use the same form fields, display for guardians for two minutes. With x million players this may be a serious burden on their servers, but perhaps they would consider it. And, to be quite honest, if Bungie added an LFG service to the game, they could probably rid PvE from the matchmaking service entirely (dreamers can be dreamers, right?). [/spoiler] Really, any way that Bungie enables a function that renders matchmaking optional is what matters. My suggestions are just to get the ball rolling. Lastly, Deej has stated that the only way they will pay attention to these requests is if people click ‘like’ so I request that you do so, if you agree that matchmaking should be an optional function. Please bump as you see fit. Thanks for taking the time to review. *my favorite option. : ) Other good ideas from the forums:[spoiler] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/118974836/0/0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/124128876/0/0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/123938507/0/0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/104991927/0/0 [/spoiler] Links to notable posts:[spoiler] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/121283764/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/116542755/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/110816872/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/109042485/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/105373074/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/105119216/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/103890220/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/103849229/0/0/1 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/103434701/0/0/1 [/spoiler]
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4 답변I would feel better if they left optional matchmaking where it is at the moment but simply added an LFG interface to the game. It would give players a chance to meet and interact with each other inside the game rather than living on LFG websites.
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4 답변Keep these posts bumped. There are still zero posts in Highest Rated, so it's up to us to keep them honest on this.
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2 답변PLZ add matchmaking for ALL PVP and PVE playlist. Really getting burnt out on trying to find own fireteam every time i want to play endgame activities. Crossing my fingers but in the mean time iam done with destiny I'll be playing Witcher 3 till they fix dis.
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1 답변[i][b]Water(Guardians) Does Not Resist, Water Flows, When you Plunge your Hand into it, All you Feel is a Caress. Water is not a Solid Wall,I It will not Stop You, But Water Always Goes Where it Wants To Go(OPMM), Dripping Water Wears Away Stone(Bungivision). Remember that, My Guardians. Remember You Are Half Water. If You Can't Go Through an Obstacle(LFGsites), Go Around it(OPMM). Water Does.[/b][/i]
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1 답변At current, our philosophy about endgame content is that part of the challenge includes forming up a team. This is a strong community filled with players who are looking for teammates. Why not seek each other out here and band together?
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2 답변http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/06/01/if-bungie-built-destiny-around-groups-they-need-to-help-players-find-them/ #Bumpfortruth
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Bump this. We all know that deej won't even acknowledge why we can t have this. I would be grateful for him at least explaining why Bungies stance is for us to use third party sites. I mean who thinks that is a good idea ?!
