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オリジナルの投稿元:Secular Sevens
A Flying Ponyにより編集済み:
3/25/2014 10:36:53 PM
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Is God bound by logic?
Assuming that God exists, and is more or less how Christians/Jews/Muslims/Etc. describe him, is he bound to logic or can he exist outside of it?
I always thought that since God created the universe, and logic is a fact of this universe, then God must not be bound by even logic, since he basically created it.
Thoughts?
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3 通の返信God is absolutely unique, nothing can compare with him and he is not like anything. He doesn't come from anything but everything comes from him. Abu Bakr who was the best friend of Muhammad said "Your inability to comprehend God is your comprehension of God"
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9 通の返信If God is beyond logic then claims of God's existence, goodness, what have you are indefensible. It is also difficult to claim that belief in such a being is reasonable, intelligible and supported by evidence. The fact of the matter is if you throw out logic then you can't make any kind of claim about anything at all.
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1 返信if you mean, for example, if God could make a square with three sides, then no. He couldn't, because that would be violating the definition of a square and so it wouldn't be a square that was being messed with anymore. However, I'm pretty certain He could create other universes founded on entirely different sets of physics and logics that would make perfect sense to any thing living in them, like us.
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[quote]...God must not be bound by even logic, since he basically created it.[/quote] If we accept the premise that god is not bound by logic, than we are therefore unable to use logic in our following and or worship of god. Therefore the books, traditions, and private one on one meetings the faithful have are wrong.
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1 返信A Metroidにより編集済み: 3/26/2014 3:22:00 AM
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Anti noiseにより編集済み: 3/26/2014 3:25:02 AMKind of an easy thing to answer. If God exists, which I feel he does. He created everything, logic is included in everything. Also, what is Logic? Definition: a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something. Well, there are countless things that are by that definition Illogical. For instance, the Big Bang, there is no real evidence it ever took place. The only evidence we have to date is background radiation and the understanding that the universe is rapidly expanding outward. To explain why i have stated this. In what way is it proper to state something as fact when you have yet to find a fact that supports said fact to be a fact? Now again, Understanding, we have yet to grasp even 1/1000000000th the knowledge of the universe. How can any scientist, claiming to be logical, state that the Big bang ever took place. The answer is simple, sometimes things are illogical.
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1 返信One must BELIEVE in God Belief is absence of knowledge (empirical evidence) Knowledge is bound by Logic therefore God is not bound by logic as his existance is perpetuated by absence of logical evidence.
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ChaosMetalMartyにより編集済み: 3/26/2014 12:29:46 AMGod is not only a supernatual being but also the creator and all powerfull controller of everything, he can controll and change anything at will including logic which is a mere part of his creation. It is good to see a legitimate Religious thread for once and not a troll thread or a fedora tipping contest
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I've always thought of it as so: if God's out there, He made the universe in such a way that everything fits relative to each other (things stay consistent, nothing crazy just for teh lulz). However, He could have just as easily adapted physics (or the universe in general) in a way that we are presently unfamiliar with. For example, let go of a rock and it just floats there. Alter the speed of light. The earth is warmed not by a glowing sun, but a different concept entirely, and night and day are on some consistent interval but caused by something other than earth's rotation. Change what humans breathe and the atmosphere around us. Change any number of things we daily accept as fact, as true to what we understand, as the only way things could be. And if God had made things in this way, instead of what we're familiar with, we still would have come up with some scientific explanation for all of it. Everything down to the physics of it all would be different from what we understand, but it would be totally normal and acceptable in this differently made universe. Humans there would postulate that what we view as totally normal is far out and bizarre. They would use logic to map things together, to find out why their bodies survive by breathing in what they do. Ultimately, everything in this universe would be explained by their own sciences. So is He entirely bound by logic? I don't think so. I think logic is a human convention to cope with the world around us, to explain things we didn't previously understand. If God can make a universe like ours, or an alternate one just as consistent but entirely different, He can spin that same universe on its head at His whim.
