Soooo I am all about no cheesing. im excited and really happy to see Bungie wants to stop it all together (wait for it, here comes the but) BUT, I would much rather have a playable game where every noob has all the gear I don't have, than raging every time I go to raid. Let me begin... Vault of Glass a. oracles pop when shot, disappear, but still mark you b. invisible oracles (ive done this too many times, yes, I know exactly where they are supposed to be) c. unable to damage oracles with the relic d. relic unable to take down Templar shield e. Templar will detain at random times f. Templar will teleport without taking his shield down g. Gorgons Labyrinth exit closed when not spotted h. puzzle abyss platforms wont spawn I. throne of glass door will not open (the only reason I don't have flawless raider, love this glitch!) j. portals will not open during gatekeeper fight k. players trapped inside portal after it closes, for no reason (this is where it gets fun, but alas, I digress) l. atheon will send less than 3, more than three, all, or no players through the timesteam m.oracles will mark you INSTANTLY n. same glitches with oracles as mentioned before o. again, portals will not open p. random detains when not being sent through the timestream q. when exiting time stream, if two players exit together one will be sent back r. when using relics cleanse shield, atheon will damage players s. venus minotaur (actually all enemys, but this guy in particular) dies, blows glimmer out his buthole, comes back to kill me t. all enemies in the game regenerate health, I understand lag, but this often?! There are more, I know I missed some (almost made it to z...ridiculous, and that's just the vault. but again, I digress) Im, sure many people agree with me, the raid was fine before the first patch. I would much rather have people pushing atheon off the ledge than dealing with all this. Oh don't worry Crota, I haven't forgotten about you bud =] Crotas End a. lanterns will not lift weight of darkness b. (I honestly like this one) darkened lanterns will lift darkness c. totems at the bridge will go hot for no reason, when cheesing or not d. bridge will deconstruct when standing on the center plate, but then contruct when I step off e. sword bearers will not spawn (only once for me) g. wizards wont leave summoning shard during deathsinger fight h. sword unable to be picked up during crota fight I. no sword when killing bearer j. sword disappears when picked up k. crotas shield immune to attacks l. crota takes a knee (DONT GET TOO EXCITED BUNGIE! HE WAS IMMUNE) and will not stand Again, im sure there are more I missed So Bungie, my message to you, a plea for help if you will, what do you plan to do? so many "cheeses" have been fixed but...whats the word on glitches you cause? most, if not all , of these were caused by patches you released. Also, these have never been addressed as far as I have seen. I would be happy with nothing more than acknowledgment, even if you don't care, just give me a "hey, we see what youre saying...but we simply don't care. Good day and happy hunting!"