Sir part of me agrees. Part of me says -blam!- this guy. [spoiler]I'm not hating on you.[/spoiler] The hand cannons are... well what they're called. Hand. Cannon. So it is suppose to be powerful and medium to a little long range. Now personally I don't have problems against Handcannons. And I'm not a ps3 or ps4 player so I can't talk about the Hawkmoon. All the weapons you listed are powerful and I agree. But the part that tells me no his post is not correct is this. They're Exotics. Now what's the damn difference it's PvP? The Perks are. If the Exotic weapon does not have good perks it must suck. Like the Dragons Breath for an examlple. It's Ball of Fire is useless unless your shooting it on a wall. The Thorn has its poison thing which is a perk, and the Hawkmoon has that stacking bullets perk. And don't forget the Last Word has rapid fire which is a good perk for close-min range while aiming. [spoiler]I don't like spamming Last Word without aiming[/spoiler] An Exotic has to live to their names. What's the point it being an "EXOTIC" but is not a decent weapon. Weapons like the Gjallahorn, IceBreaker, Hawknoon, Suros Regime and Thorn are good weapons because they're Exotics. If they didn't have those perks, then they would be some Rare or Legendary weapons. This is my idea and opinion of any Exotic Weapons and/or Armor.