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Rifter7により編集済み:
1/7/2015 2:42:43 AM
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The status of Hunters in crucible.
http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population
There's some numbers. Out of the general population, hunters have higher kdrs and there's more of them in the top percentage.
Is there a problem with hunters, specifically gunslingers?
personally, i feel that gunslingers ult is too powerful for little skill requirement, and that it needs a nerf. i think it should do 150 body shot dmg with the headshot multiplier being 2.0. that will let headshots always be an instant kill, unless the player has damage reduction. in that situation 1 headshot and a body shot would kill them, or 3 bodyshots.
"thats wrong. im not asking to remove the super, either.
im saying it needs to take more skill.
a headshot = insta
bodyshot takes 2
150 or 175 dmg with 2.0 crit multiplier for when using against damage reduction.
read, people.
gg does 350 dmg"
edit: you guys keep saying nerf the other ults, but we're not seeing a 10% difference in use for top players and a .10+ difference in kd across the entire population for the other classes.
edit: there was some really good posts in here. for and against making changes.
the rest is complete garbage. i've mostly given up on responding to you people, just post your bad kdrs (theres a correlation somewhere) and leave onto the next one.
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3 通の返信Meh just choose a hunter for crucible if u don't like it. I am biased clearly, as I run a hunter and that's it. But the way I see it is: Warlocks nova is way op and so is the titan slam. U don't even need to aim to down ppl just blam and cha ching. if u use it correctly u can get 3 or 4 in one hit. Now sure as a hunter I can have to up to 4 long distance kills....but hey people...I need to actually aim. Not to mention lag makes me miss sometimes too. It's all balanced though, because my melee hits do like nothing while the other classes smash me in one hit etc. And look..would u want golden gun to act like that in single player? As in body and head shots? Neh. And as its pretty clear that they r not going to make things work differently in pve and pvp, it's not gonna happen. I must say sure, this game is far from perfect in terms of balance and stuff...but really all up bungie have done a decent job of making things fair and balanced when u take into consideration that every item skill and special can be used for multi and single player. Nobody ever praises that at all. -blam!-.
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3 通の返信Anyone who keeps posting this kind of threads is just stupid. Been playing with my hunter since the beginning and never felt under powered or over powered, only thing I feel is op with warlocks and Titans are their melees.
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I don't think it should be changed unless they decrease the range on Titan and Warlock Supers. I'm a Hunter who actively uses both subclasses and it's a lot more difficult to use then the other two classes pre-mentioned. Before you check my characters and say I have never used a warlock super to judge it, you are wrong. I ended up deleting my warlock because of how easy they are to use in crucible! The only difference is that Hunters can spread out their super instead of only being able to use it in a select area. Almost all supers are difficult to dodge but 90% of the time you will get caught even if you saw it coming. Don't hate on Hunters! We probably do better cause hunters are the main class for combat :)
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Incredible! Worst suggestion ever. The reason why hunters are at the top of leaderboards is because the fps shooter sweatys love playing them. They're the guys who only play shooters, use a scuf and control freeks. GG is fine the way it is and I'm surprised you'd even mention skill with any super. Fist of panic? Nova panic? Bladecancers? Really dude?? Nerf GG?!
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Lazulivにより編集済み: 1/7/2015 4:33:10 AMSo what you're saying is Titans and Warlocks get 1hko supers but Hunters, oh hell no not the hunters. -blam!- them over! Special weapons 1hko. Rockets 1hko. All other supers 1hko. But not hunters because it has range on the super, which the class is known for, hence the "Always looking for the perfect shot". But I guess that means nothing. Nah, nerf nerf nerf.
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11 通の返信LITTLE SKILL REQUIREMENT? Someone get me a gram of whatever this idiot is smoking to make him believe that gunslinger, of all the supers in this game, requires little skill. I would MAYBE give you bladedancer as a lesser skilled super. Turn it on, get near someone, and just repetitively hit RB? Yeah, I'll believe that in some cases. But for ANYONE who uses warlock OR titan to say that gunslinger is OP or even worse, takes NO SKILL to use is huffing too much spirit bloom. You're trying to tell me that a super with ZERO health boost when in use that requires you to ACTUALLY aim the fm thing to use takes less skill than a warlock or titan super? Warlocks run around like Goku in a dress dropping effing spirit bombs with a blast radius that makes the nuke on Hiroshima say "damn, that's messed up", while Titans run around like hulk with a hula skirt hulksmashing literally ANYTHING within 20 feet of them. I was an entire story above a fist of havoc once, and I still wasn't safe. And what do these poor poor souls running in fear of the golden gun have to do to unleash this hell of overpowered buttrape? Panic. Be near anyone at the time they press their buttons. Aim their entire character in the the general direction of an opposing player and activate it. Watch as the map explodes in hellfire. But yeah. Nerf the hunter. Because that makes so much sense.
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So because the top players are all hunters we should nerf the hunters.. I honestly can't see any flaws in that at all NERF ALL THE HUNTERS!!! [spoiler]Obvious sarcasm[/spoiler] This dude gave up trying to defend himself because he realized how retarded he is. But I really do enjoy reading posts where kids are bad at the game and then ask for everything else to be nerfed lol it's like them posting about how bad they are and how they need every class to be worse than theirs so they can win lol I guess that's what happens when you make a game rates T, every little kid still thinks the universe revolves around them haha what a little bitch
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I think you need to git gud. Gunslinger master race. We all have our crutches; don't act like shoulder charge or 8m melee/one hit kill grenades aren't crutches too. Me, I don't give a -blam!- about that. I play and don't complain. You'll see that from some of the better and more serious players.
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if they do that the super would basically be useless i can kill more people with radiance up than with gg only thing that makes it better than the other supers is you can use it half way across the map and still kill people a proper fix would be after each kill it depletes quicker obviously a pvp only feature
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I'm sorry but the Hunter class is entirely based on flair and skill. To nerf these supers would be entirely nonsensical. Gunslinger : Everything from the special melee to the super needs skill in PvP. I have not seen nearly as much throwing knives being thrown around in PvP as much as I have seen shoulder charges or energy drains. Shoulder charge is a one shot kill every time while throwing knife does not guarantee a kill every time it hits. The most used grenade in PvP for gunslingers is the tripmine grenade. It only has about a 10 sec active time and you have to use it to either cover a direction or anticipate enemy movements which, again, requires more skill than lobbing a grenade and doing area damage to whatever can be found. Now, the controversial super. To nerf it by reducing its damage reduction would be absolutely crushing for us hunters. The reason the Golden Gun gets more kills more reliably is because, of course, due to the long timer it has and the ability to pick off targets by moving around. Also, nerfing it like would mean I could get kills easier with my Plan-C or even a rare shotgun. Why in fcks name would I even use my super then? Besides, nobody has ever killed a titan during the fist of havoc or the warlock using nova bomb before they melt your faces, have they? Yet, everybody has killed hunters with their super active. The reason we have timers which allow us to get kills is because it balances out the skill needed to do it. You don't need that kind of skill to pound the ground, do you? Bladedancer: Bladedancers have the highest risk vs reward playstyle in the game. As a bladedancer, I have to get up in the faces of the titans and warlocks to use my blink strike. I can easily get shoulder charged. My blink jump leaves me vulnerable immediately after the jump. Any grenade I use does not kill a full health guy whereas that magnetic grenade is absolutely devastating. Arc Blade is the most risky of any of the supers. The reason we get more kills is because you're probably camping out like noobs in a titan bubble or you're really tightly grouped. I have never seen a bladedancer get more than 2 kills by running around the map. Also, when we use the Arc Blade, we need to get up close to you grouped up people, and we can still easily get nova bombed, shotgunned, meleed, shoulder charged or killed with fusion rifles or fist of havoc. So, maybe if you titans and warlocks stop running away like pussies the next time you see a hunter with their super up, and actually use your common sense and skill and try to pick em off first, there wouldn't be som uch talk of the Hunter supers being op
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5 通の返信Hunters have perks geared toward actually using your guns and being quick and agile. As a result better players gravitate to that class because it suits their play style. I mean, i know it seems unfair that hunters shoot you before you get close enough shoulder charge, fist of havoc, scorch melee with over shield, nova bomb, shotgun, fusion rifle or whatever bad kid plan you have that requires you to barrel stuff them, but this is a shooter after all, maybe try using your gun as well and stop whining like a little bitch. Hell i've seen titans and warlocks come up, super B flag get 3-6 kills and nobody can touch the objective because of the residual damage wake. As hunters he have to hit our shots, get 3-4 kills max and continue to work to hold the objective because there is no damage wake left after kills. Seriously quit your bitching you ground pounding cross dresser.
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6 通の返信So you want to nerf a super until its worse than most special weapons? Sounds legit.
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Having a higher percentage in top players is not necessarily indicative of it being overpowered. Correlatation does not equal causation. Maybe the best players sincerely love throwing knives, or just think cloaks look cool. Golden Gun is only surpassed by the void bubble as least OP. It takes serious skill to max out kills with it, and that's typically 3 total.
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So, you want Hunters to have a super with a max kill potential of a whopping 1 if they miss headshots (for any reason)? Titans and Warlocks have infinite target potential with their supers, Hunters (Gunslingers at least) trade that potential for a more fixed rate.
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11 通の返信Um are you retarded? I absolutely hate playing hunter but this is a shite idea. Golden gun is the only super where you have literally NO protection what so ever. Plus you actually need to aim, which is something else that no other super requires. You're also only allowed a maximum of 3 kills (4 with herpes helm). Sure you can use the explosion or penetrating perks for more than one kill per shot but they're very situational. The only thing that should be nerfed is your mouth. Muted.
