Why do you think hard mode is released later. all these glitches will be fixed come hard mode. I wouldn't worry about it.

I have 11 clears, not the most but I think it's enough in which I'm qualified to say; the raid is easy.

Someone actually read the terms of service? I thought we all just scroll down, check agree and click continue. Everyone is throwing TOS around like it's the Ten Commandments. Just stop and think about this from a neutral stance for a moment. Who are exploiters gaining an advantage over? Certainly not other players since everyone gets the loot. Certainly not other players since all of us are capable of doing it, but some of us choose not to by choice. Are exploiters gaining an advantage over crota? Surely, no one is defending crota here. Let's look at it for what it really is. People who do it legitimately can't accept the fact that others do not and when there are exploiters getting loot that they wanted for themselves they get jealous and shout ban them, ban them in the forums. If that's the case, then the real issue is RNG. Everyone has a shot at getting any piece of gear or weapon upon completion, or getting nothing upon completion. It's frustrating when we do it legitimately and get shards, but the group that exploited got helmets and weapons. I get it, we want to feel special for completing a raid legitimately by being the only ones with cool new gear. What I don't get is the reason this is so important to some of us. Some of us want to stand out with a full set of raid gear. We want to be the only ones with the number 32 floating above our heads when we're running around in the tower to grab bounties. None of this truly matters. Time and RNG matters. In other words, if you don't have good luck you'd better hope you have enough time to play until you get lucky. I've had clan members who were great players that I've spent hours with in the vault of glass. We've completed it legitimately and illegitimately. The only reason we exploited is because we spent over 8 hours in VoG because being despite being coordinated and skilled, almost a dozen bugs would frequently present themselves while fighting atheon (most of you who have experienced this know what I'm talking about), breaking the game and shattering any potential enjoyment we could get from it. Especially when no one received good rewards. We felt cheated, so we repaid the favor. Some of you act as if playing by playing exclusively the legitimate way is more honorable and that the game will recognize it and give you a weapon no one has. The game doesn't care how you do it, it's still going to give you shards and your other clan mates that armor piece you wanted with the exact stats you wanted (or the other way around) by rolling the dice, so to speak. I respect that those of you who complete it legitimately want to continue to do so. You play the game how it's meant to be played in spite of exploiters and exploits. But there will never be a way to prove that you've done it legitimately because there will always be bugs and tricks, which people will take advantage of. So if you're after acknowledgement, you'll never get it. If you're after a sense of fulfillment and self-satisfaction, you can have it so long as you stop caring how other people beat the raid and mind how you've done it for yourself by enjoying your loot and not worrying about other people's loot.

Petition to ban all the whiny bitches on the forums

Too bad its not cheating

Not to be an asshat OP but petitioning to ban people over how they choose to play doesn't make much sense. You have your gear, let them be. It's not like they are directly effecting your gameplay. How do we know you didn't exploit CE yourself? To be honest it's actually more difficult to perform the exploit than finish the raid legitimately anyways. I'm certain Bungie could patch this so that if the fireteam leader exits, the checkpoint restarts or everyone is kicked to orbit or whatnot. Instead, your petition should be aimed toward how the VOG armor became pointless to basic dlc vanguard gear. Now tell me you weren't pissed that someone that never ran VOG could essentially level a new character and have more powerful gear and a higher light level than you, plus run CE with better damage output. Besides, when we power off our consoles to go experience life, who really gives a f@$# one way or the other?