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RawWilson1により編集済み:
12/5/2014 9:07:26 PM
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Exotics' Perks Reset for Higher Level
Why not just add a second row to upgrade damage power for current(pre-TDB expansion) exotics' upgrade tree? Why does it have to loose all it's unique perks to be able to hit a higher level?
It should be where you're just upgrading the attack power from power lvl 300 or 302. Exotics you already spent time in upgrading should not loose their signature perks in the reset.
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[i][u]Edited[/u][/i]: Deej in the last Community post cleared up that exotic resets doesn't reset your exotic's power. However, your exotics will loose all it's unique perks to reach the higher lvl being introduced in [b]The Dark Below[/b] expansion DLC if you choose to reset it.
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[u][i]Edited[/i][/u]: Still, those of us who upgraded our Exotics shouldn't have to get our Exotics' *[i]unique perks([/i]there's the first row and that second row going vertical in the skills tree) stripped away from us for the higher attack damage.
Also the *[i]signature perks[/i](The '[i][b]Patients and Time[/b][/i]' perk on the '[b]Patience and Time[/b]' exotic sniper, etc.) of the gun should not be stripped away from us if we already upgraded it to that point already.
Spending time on getting a perk that you already spent time getting already is a [i]waste[/i] of time.
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#feedback
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Its obviously not fair as some people will end up paying a lot more time and effort to have a weapon of the same standard and progress. According to Bungie, those that complete the weapon bounties after the DLC arrives will automatically get one of a higher attack stat than those that have already completed the bounty and invested time and resources into it. I know they have recently changed the way Exotics are upgraded but we still invested 18 Ascendant Materials - the equivalent of 9 level 28 Daily Missions - I know there are other ways to get these such as Raiding, getting lucky with Public Events, breaking down other Legendary/Exotic gear etc. We still had to grind for the planet materials, glimmer and XP too. How is it 'fair' that some people will have better weapons for less investment? I know Bungie could just patch all the Exotics to match the new stats if they wanted. Maybe that's not the best way to go about this although it would be 'fair' as those that don't yet have them would still need to invest the same (or at least similar) to get them upgraded and therefore have the same weapon/armour stats as thos that have already got and invested in them Another way could be that all progress regardless is carried over on purchasing the upgrade from Xur. Again this would mean that all players would still have to invest a similar time and resources in the same items to have the same stats. Maybe less Fair but more acceptable in my opinion would be to have the option of keeping all progress at an extra cost - Maybe Motes of Light as these are awarded for experience (as well as other methods) and have little use. For example:- it costs 'x' Glimmer to buy the upgrade from Xur but all progress is reset or 'x' Glimmer and 'y' Motes of Light to buy the upgrade AND keep the progress. Whilst this method would mean that players who already own Exotics would still end up paying more, It gives us a way of keeping our progress if we choose and a use for the Motes of Light too.
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The forced reset on exotics for players that want to progress is a poor decision and will only upset the playerbase. Destiny has always been advertised as a game of letting players carving their own paths, or a legend, and continual progress. The reset is a confusing step back that most players just won't appreciate because they will have to redo work that they've already done. Of course, no one HAS TO reset their exotics, but if they want them to keep up with the new exotics, then they must go through with the reset. It's just such a painful and confusing decision to make when Bungie could have very easily added another row to the upgrade trees and require more xp on them. But, instead, we have to re-do everything to progress. And, of course, once the new raid comes out, players won't be able to reset their gear and launch the new raid unless they have maxed out all four current raid gear pieces, which not a lot of people have to due a terrible RNG system. Just wait and see, there will be plenty of players that go and reset their exotics before checking out the raid, only to find out that only a level 30 can launch it, so they'll need help just because they didn't get lucky in the previous raid. These decisions are only going to upset a lot of people. In my opinion, Destiny shouldn't require a reset in any manner at all. Keeping unique perks would soften the blow, but it'd still be a blow nonetheless.
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It is part of their business model to get you to stay online without them needing to do any additional work for it, i.e. the entire model behind the DLC. I agree with the OP - add a node, make it a beeatch to fill, problem solved. -Phil
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If I didn't have a job and a family this would probably not be that big a deal but this will set me back weeks. I think this is dumb move. They should have come up with a better system that is fair for those who have already played the game. At the mo this seems to heavily favour new players, not the loyal fan base.
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1 返信This is not an issue of fairness, unless your definition of "fair" is "what I want." Since it applies equally to all Destiny players it's obviously fair. That's not the problem. The problem is that they've pulled something that almost punishes people who started playing the game from day one. People who start playing now won't have wasted the time we spent upgrading our current exotics.
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3 通の返信If they want us to waste 14 Strange Coins or dismantle 2+ exotics to buff our exotics. They should add two bubbles. One to upgrade to 301 for One Exotic Shard. And another to upgrade to 302 for One Exotic Shard. Not sent back to start. This isn't Sorry, this is Destiny.
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1 返信Having the perks reset is like a giant middle finger too all that time we spent grinding. It's BS that we need to reset to advance.
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24 通の返信Its fair idk why you people are complaining so much about this, most people use 1 exotic armor piece and like 3 exotic weapons, you are not leveling every damn exotic in this game. Get over it.
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1 返信You have to retrain it to be stronger like an athlete he trains to get better so yea just stop complaining they could have made us find all the exotics over again
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7 通の返信For those hardcore gamers, it will only take a week to level it up again, maybe two for the less harcore gamers. This is a small price to pay for our exotics to get a damage increase for the next raid, especially hard mode which does not come out until January. Yes it is fair, no one is forcing you into upgrading, it will still be effective without, but the main difference is that even if you find or by a new, already upgraded exotic, you will still need to spend time on it. The point is, we as gamers shouldnt expect everything handed and made easy for us. That ruins the fun and playability of the game. So yes it is fair, people just need to learn how to accept the fact that not everything comes easy.
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4 通の返信We who bought the game at launch or between now and black friday were a test group. The xmas customers are the real aim cuz they'll get the game on the new consoles. Fair? Absolutely. I have maxed gear on two characters without the new stuff. I was waiting to upgrade my weapons for when i picked my full setup so i missed out on no having to use the new mats but thats my own fault. Be proud you were part of the group that got the game ready for all the tweens and highschoolers that are getting the game on santa day.
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2 通の返信BAMozzyにより編集済み: 12/5/2014 5:56:21 PMIt certainly isn't fair. I have spent time, glimmer and resources upgrading 30 of the available 36 Exotic Items - most of them to max levels. I also use the majority frequently - even just for fun and something different. I have also competed all the Exotic bounties too so why am I now expected to pay more to upgrade my weapons again than those who complete the bounties next week? I don't mid the fact that I have to pay something to upgrade my weapons to the next level but I think EVERYONE should end up paying exactly the same to get exactly the same level of weapon. One way of doing this is to keep the upgrades acquired when you pay Xur to upgrade them. This means those that have already grinded and earned the upgrades still get to keep them and those that haven't will still need to do so. By the time the weapon/armour is fully upgraded, everyone will have paid the same in terms of Glimmer and materials - surely that is a fairer system... Another idea would be to use Motes of Light to pay for an upgraded version of the weapon instead of Glimmer as his is capped at a lowly 25000 and it seems we have no exotic engrams anymore. Motes of light are awarded everytime you level up so it is partly an experience based currency. Maybe you could pay 10 MoL to upgrade the weapon and have a reset version or 25 MoL to have an upgraded version BUT keep you upgrade progress. It would give MoL a purpose other than buying pointless cosmetic items
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1 返信Really don't see how anything in the new DLC is fair for players who have spend countless hours maxing guns and gear to hit level 30. New players can hit level 30 without doing the VoG, and jump right into the new Raid once they are 30, doing the VoG to completion should be a requirement. As for the gear and guns. Why does everyone who has already maxed their stuff have to re level stuff or see other people hit 30 much easier than they did it? Example of being unfair - My Gjallarhorn is maxed, and has been for some time now. If I reset for the more powerful version that's awesome but I lose my Homing Rocket and Wolfpack Rounds and keep 300 damage, cool whatever. Random person just gets a Gjallarhorn that day, trades it into Xur immediately without leveling it at all and now has a 300 damage version just like mine, but didn't have to spend any time farming, or leveling the damn gun. Give players who did shit the hard way something for doing it like Titanfall did with Generation 5 Gooser challenge, Give us a shader or something since we are basically being told hey sucks to be you, now everyone can do what took you a month or two to do in like 3 weeks.
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This is what Bungie would say "Its for the lower levels too we are giving them a chance to catch up with you " Am i wrong ??? You guys forget i have countless new Grimire card points so they are making it fair so being selfish
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Cordic_Cyberpunkにより編集済み: 12/5/2014 6:24:59 PMreset is bs. we need to upgrade our exotics with the what we all ready have put in as xp and ascendant material then go from there and onward to make them more powerful. exotics NEED to BECOME Exotic. they are not currently. also the "new" weapons in the dlc are reskined models of what we currently have. 400 ppl on staff and no has imagination huh ? fail! destiny could have been amazing and last 10 years but this is the worst managing of a game i have ever seen. its like bungie wants to piss us all off. when do i get the rest of Destiny i all ready payed for. day 1 was 20% of a full game..... how about sound option to turn gun sound or voices up? and my favorite the dam ability to turn off the in game music!!!!!! let us turn OFF the IN GAME MUSIC!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3 通の返信It's like people don't want progress. For a game to move forward u have to get stronger enemies. Which requires better gear and weapons. Most games with the rpg elements that destiny has would require you to get new stronger stuff and dump ur old stuff to keep up.. weapon upgrades allow u to get ur old dusty stuff stronger.. u haven't taken a step back. Ur stuff doesn't become as weak as when u got it. Ur leveling the perks again, which no longer requires ridiculous farming. And INCREASING the overall dmg. Sounds like progress to me.
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joshuamunroにより編集済み: 12/5/2014 2:37:30 AMWhat makes it feel so painful is that exotics take so so much exp (=time) to level up. Always thought they make it so using certain materials would add an extra node to then go and level up.
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I honestly feel the pull on both sides of the argument. Typically games like this they make old weapons obsolete when the new ones are introduced. Granted it does to some degree give the game artificial longevity making is grind all the way to the top again increase how long we would spend in the game but it also allows us to keep our favorite weapons for a while longer. I agree with the reset but the complete wipe of all progress seems a little too drastic for me. If anything there should be a compromise that going for round two of the weapon upgrade will take less time.
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2 通の返信...so....items being "reset" starts them off at 300 attack. You arent taking a step backwards...oh lemmings...*facepalm*
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xpProfessorにより編集済み: 12/4/2014 11:20:58 PMI don't understand why Bungie wants current players to waste time, grinding and leveling exotic gear that we've already grinded to level up before. It seems even more redundant than other aspects of the game, and I have very little incentive to do it. I was very happy to see the changes Bungie made to farming materials. I hated wasting hours just running in circles, looking for chests. It didn't feel epic or empowering at all. But this latest update of game mechanics to be released in [i]The Dark Below[/i] is disappointing. They've essentially replaced one monotonous grind with another! @DeeJ Please reward players who have completely leveled up their current exotic weapons by allowing us to [i]continue[/i] their progress; don't reset them. #feedback #bungie #exotics #reset
