I think a lot of this exotic negativity is based on people not knowing the situations where these guns excel. A good example of this is Super Good Advice, many find this gun useless and awful. There is, however, a situation where this gun is priceless: the Atheon fight. Shooting an oracle or a detainment shield counts as a miss. This means you have nearly unlimited high dps for these two targets. In a group that is struggling, you may find this quite valuable. Suros is simply an amazing primary for both PvE and PvP. If you want to use an AR, suros is probably the best choice 90%+ of the time. It's perks and high impact leave it head and shoulders above even grim citizen and shadow price. Icebreaker, having the highest impact of any sniper (supremacy is the only other one close) and regenerating amo is a gun you can take to any PvE encounter and dominate. Not that great in normal PvP due to high recoil and the redundancy of infinite amo since special amo is so plentiful. Very potent in iron banner, it's high impact turns body shots into one hit kills on players two or more levels below you. Patience and Time is also under rated. Only sniper with third eye, excellent in pvp. It's amazing stability and decent impact combine to allow more shots against Atheon than an icebreaker user (the best icebreaker will only get 8-9 shots on Atheon if you play perfectly and get a good regen cycle) where PaT can easily put 12-16 shots on target, allowing for more total damage. With higher impact and the same stability, this gun out performs revenge in all but void nightfall. Invective and plan c are also excellent in PvP. Best in class according to many. Though nerfed, pocket infinity remains a power house in PvP. Hawk moon has enough impact to instant kill enemies in the hard raid, making it better even than fatebringer. It's unique perks are also very powerful in PvP. A very potent weapon in all areas of the game. Truth is great if you enjoy rockets in PvP, and with its void damage it is excellent in nightfall or against minataurs. Not a great as gjallahorn, but easily equal to any legendary if you want a launcher that tracks. More PvP than PvE Thorn is very potent in PvP, two shots to kill. Pretty awful in PvE I admit, but a buff is inbound. Bad juju is terrible. But really the only truly awful exotic. Buff is confirmed to be coming. Thunderlord is a great Lmg. High capacity, high impact, amazing accuracy. Cannot be beat for arc burn. Field scout is a wonderful trade for lmgs and this one gets it.I wish I had it. The Last Word is pretty fun. Uniquely between the fire rate of AR's and the damage of say hawk moon. Excellent in PvP. Very viable in PvE. Most hand cannons struggle against high health majors, this will melt a major while retaining the power to one hit kill common enemies. Little low on amo capacity, but you can't have everything. Gjallahorn. You just can't say anything negative about this weapon. Go look up videos of people killing Atheon in 19 seconds with six of these. Vex Mythoclast is still great. If you can get headshots, you will beat every suros user in PvP. Suffers from low amo capacity, but still great fun on PvE. The forth coming buff is promised to make it peerless for PvE. Also, fun fact: consecutive kills with this weapon count for the overcharged bounty. Also the heart of the Praxic fire does give it some extra amo. The universal remote is definitely a snow flake of a gun. Many hate it, but give it a chance. It's high range make it actually pretty great in PvP. I've also taken it to the raid and had great success. This plus a sniper make defending the right side during confluxes and oracles very easy to solo. Also great for defending portals at gatekeeper. Combine with corrective measure for a load out that can give you the most kills in your group in the hard mode. The play style this gun encourages is a little insane for PvE, but it is also great fun. As a note, you can hit supplicants for full damage without being demolished by their weeabo kamikaze attack. Besides, who doesn't want to face all of life with a shotty/snipes load out. I didn't touch on every exotic, but I hope this showed you that at least most of them can be very powerful.

After patch thorn is a beast.

[quote]Prove me wrong Fair and square > bad juju Shadow price > hard light and Monte Carlo Devil you know > thorn FWC light machine gun > super good advice Vision (raid scout rifle) > multitool Raid rocket > truth Invisible hand > universal remote Fully upgraded legendaries stats = 300 Fully upgraded exotics stats = 300 Exotics should be 320 or 350 and should out class and out perform all legendaries. Not all exotics are bad. I just saying that all exotics should be better than legendary options like the g-horn, ice breaker, Suros, etc. [b]EXOTICS SHOULD COMPETE WITH EXOTICS in terms of usefulness/perks not with legendaries. It should be a hard choice between picking which exotic to use since you only have one slot for them![/b][/quote] Amen. I have no exotics yet (working on Juju) but its ridiculous how weak people want them to be. They're supposed to be the best weapons and armors, only checked by each other. We shouldn't hear about legendaries outclassing exotics or even have to argue it. The only reason we do is because they're incredibly common, much more so than originally believed/hoped.

In pvp mida > voc easily A rare shotgun or any shotgun with shotpackage can outperform all exotic and legendary shotguns easily; I've kept trying to replace mine w/no worthy replacement Shadow price, vanquisher, suros, & select silvered hushwinds are all on the same tier The rest of the list seems reasonable, I'm no expert on handcannons so no opinion

If exotics were better than legendaries the pvp crowd would all start crying again like they do with all guns that are better than others. Best just make them all do the same damage, same impact, same range, same reload time, same rate of fire just different perks and then maybe they will be happy.

Preach it, bump

Hezen vengeance (raid rocket) will ever be as good as Ghallahorn

Devil you know is not better than thorn. Well pre accidental nerf at least. Hezen vengeance isn't better than truth either.

This list is too specific. You're obviously choosing the best legendary and worst exotic for each weapon type. Also, raid weapons aren't real legendaries. They are superior, like raid gear; they just aren't marked differently.

Hard to argue, I have 3 exotics and use legendaries over all of them.

1. Suros is top 3 autorifle (preference) 2. Galihorn best rocket 3. Ice breaker inf ammo > p revenge in pvm 4. Plan c is top 3 fusion rifle (preference) 5. Thunderlord is upper middle tier (out powered by new iron banner legendary in PvP)

Only thing that makes legendarys better is the fact that you can equip more than one

I'd have to disagree with a few of those. Mida multi tool is the best scout rifle, and truth is better than the raid rockets, and I noticed you didn't mention fusion rifles, plan c is hands down the best.

Feel free to add your ideas or comments. Feedback is encouraged.

Basically it exotic is "supposed" have a few key battle scenario where it shines above all else. This has not been met. But i think the these kinda of issue should be brought up after exotics get balanced bufs from the bungie work bench Even if it feels like all the exotics glory is colecting dust on said work bench

tbh.. i think 350 would be pushing it and would seriously push the lines of OP... however.. 320.. that would be enough to set an exotic weapon apart from a legendary... and it SHOULDN'T make them 1 hit insta-gib guns. then again, i think we should be able to carry more than 1 exotic weapon actively equipped anyway.

Yer I agree. It wouldn't be a problem if the exotic perk were something that really made them special. from what I can see on the whole.exotics and legendary weapons are very similar in performance. There's s few exotics that stand out,but they nerf them back when noobs moan about them?? Suros is one example. A slight boost to all exotics would put them where they should be in my opinion;)

Uh, just correcting you, Corrective Measure > any machine gun ever.

Exotic weapons are just having unique perks compared to legendaries...but i like the idea that exotic should compete with exotic....some legendaries outperform exotics

Duh bad juju is the best gun in the game

I agree! being that exotics are one of the better weapons they should atleast have a slight increase in damage. But with it being at 300 it kind of just seems like another legendary weapon. Exotic weapons should make you feel like its a exotic and not another legendary, if that makes any sense lol

Ya there are some exotics that out do all legs, and I find myself trying to choose between those few. But you are right, exotics should never compete with legendaries. Don't let bungie hear that though.... They will nerf all the legendaries.