They are surrounded by God killers, they aren't a threat to us, haven't been for a while, why alot of Eliksni are joining house light, Survival But I am wasting my time, you think Eris is Savathuns daughter, when she is Human, and was a Guardian, and got Hive powers through a wish Dragon, which she uses to help us eradicate the Hive You must be a PvP msin

Eliksni or Mara... who will you choose. I don't think Eris is Savathun's daughter because the lore suggests it's someone else. I don't think you can have 2 Throne Worlds. Speaking of Elesunia. And Eris didn't let Savathun escape us. And Eris didn't bring Savathun into the Pale Heart. So how is that confusion any different than your own? Are you loyal to the Eliksni or Mara Sov? It can't be both now, and you know that. I'm on the Eliksni's side, if it isn't obvious. Well... Spider & Eido to be clear. I think the Piker leader is a puppet. To add per my theory, I think we would know if Mara had a sister... Certainly, it's likely the Sov family was larger... because they had a whole section in the lore. Like the Gladiator arenas... for the Sov family. However, as a counter to my own assumption, we also don't know anything about Mara's father... like nada, nothing. So maybe she did have a sister. Or a cousin. Or a rival family's daughter... Alis Li's daughter perhaps. I think that's more likely, fits Mara's MO. But let's investigate it further, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)[/url] @LeGrandMonsieur might be correct, but stepdaughter... stepsister of Mara Sov. Holey moley! It tracks, because Savathun isn't Hera in analog, it's Leto... and Mara is Artemis. That means Mara Sov's father probably had other children not w Osana. And Mara wiped all that **** from the record/history. Bungie flipped it, they corrupted Leto... cursed by a worm. It fully tracks. Eris could be Osana's stepdaughter and/or Mara's stepsister. Or if I wanted to get even more provocative with this theory... 🤯 Just "or"... not Osana's stepdaughter. Mara's dad left Osana for Alis Li. Had other kids, Eris is one of them. Alis... Eris, similar naming convention. And Mara's emotional underpinnings start to surface. Her parents split up during or right before the cataclysm, Dad shacks up with the Queen no less. On the outs, with her mother... over her tactics. ****! That why Mara chose to turn. It also explains her actions, why she took no umbrages starting Civil wars. It explains why Alis, though seemingly aware of Mara's deceits and Warmongering... that she did not act. Eris is not Osana's stepdaughter. However, Mara is Alis's. So... Mara may have cursed both; 1. Osana -> Sathona -> Savathun. And her brother. And her stepmother Alis Li... with the godspark powers she gained from AI Leela. Ahsa. I think Ahas was once Alis Li and the 1st Queen of the Awoken. Mother of Eris, stepmother to Mara Sov. Eris Li. Sounds right. 😇👍💠 I've asked this before... who's Mara's dad then? Could it be Zavala? Could Zavala's memories be actually of his time with Alis Li? Though twisted and confused amidst the chaos and corruption of the darkness. That's a huge stretch... unlikely. He had already lost his memories and became a Guardian. Though it doesn't remove the possibility completely, unlikely Safiyah is Alis. Although... I promise I'm not trying to waffle, [i]Upon arriving at the village, Safiyah is greeted by her [u]sister Anami[/u], who raises an eyebrow after spotting Zavala and Hakim. Over time, as days pass by, Zavala tells Safiyah that he thinks that Anami dislikes him with Targe remarking with certainty that she also dissapproves of him. When Safiyah asks why they believe this, Zavala and Targe reveal to her that Anami made it apparent that she disliked them both. Safiyah would simply frown and remark that [u]her sister did like their son[/u].[/i] That sounds like an analog for exactly what I'm talking about. Not just Zavala, their son Hakim was disowned by Safiyah's sister. So, if we follow this fever dream of a theory... that foreshadows or are confused memories of his life as an Awoken before he became a Guardian. Which might indicate for another level of holy ****. Then Osana and Alis might be sisters. Why don't we know Zavala's Awoken surname? Is it Li? If you were a crazy and jaded stepdaughter angry at her father leaving her mother, destroying her world as a child. Left mom for her aunt who was the queen. Nothing could be more publicly devastating. Why not make him suffer with an analog of that, tortured by it... timeline, after timeline... universe after universe. His tragedy, her tragedy. Why not curse her stepsister to be her eternal lackey?

You must be confusing me with someone else, I have always been loyal to the Eliksni, a hard position to take, due to the shortsighted close minded nature of most Guardians Just because I challenge your obsession with tying Mara to everything, even if its not in "Currently" established lore, doesn't mean I am loyal to her, or my favorite character And you are either one of the most confused people on this board, or still just posting contrarian lore to trigger people, you read too deep, and don't understand the fluid narrative situation at Bungie, where the new narrative team doesnt always have continuity with previous plots, like which ever -blam!- wrote the ending to Revenent and the Eliksni Arc The Eliksni have their own agency, Mara didnt come in the picture untill she intervened and prevented The Wolves from intervening in 6 fronts(The Final Attempt), they were united on Riis under The Traveler, under one House, they didnt split untill after The Witness and Oryx destroyed Riis and caused The Whirlwind, they fled to Earth chasing The Traveler out of desperation, and became squapbbling pirate tribes,earning the name Fallen, being without the light caused them to fracture And Miisrax(Mithrax's real pronunciation) was a member of House Wolves, when he was captured by Eido in the Reef Wars, and Eidos mercy caused him to see Humanity differently, than the diehard Warlords like Skolas who wanted nothing but blood, we first met him working for his brother Spider on Titan, and the Canon ending to the enemy of my enemy mission was to spare him, after saving him from the Knight he was fighting, then he befriended a Hunter and Warlock, he then formed House Light to give other Eliksni who wanted an alternative to a unwinnable struggle against demi-gods

Him losing the cursed relic, yes, Eido saved him. Then Mara had her killed for it. Edit: The revelation already happened. Unless you can make a case that Mara was a stooge just like us. Going to be difficult, part of her identity since we met her in D1. The Oracle, her Hagiography, and as recent as Season of the Wish. Nothing except the end about Zavala is weak analysis.... So many threads tying that web together. She did let Savathun escape... we had been there for every ritual previously... She did let Savathun into the Traveler, literally what she wanted. The confusion you lambast @LeGrandMonsieur for probably comes from what? "Is it you"? - the Truth to Power entry that we originally thought was a Dark Future version of Eris. In WitchQueen and then in tFS, it turns out that was Sathona. Also in WitchQueen, Savathun makes the claim of what we understand now... She is a rule maker. And one chessboard, was in her Throne World... where was the other? There were 2, the second was a secret picture hidden in the AION Archives ARG. The Dreaming City. None of this is theory, I'm just stating/citing the lore and in-game events. IF MARA ... ISN'T... a Stooge. This, [b]"I conspired with the Queen of the Awoken...." - Savathun[/b] MUST BE TRUE. She ambushed her own people, by using the Oracle... IF she isn't a puppet.

You know who Savathuns Daughter really is ? Even Lavante Every cookie we bake spawns another soldier in her army