They released 2 of the most historically OP weapon types with Renegades, and at the same time. Lightweight pulse and 120 HC. And those are the 2 types that the community will swarm to because of their history causing the population of usage to go way up and make it even worse.

[quote]I've been away for several months and I'm finding my feet again in PvP. Yet time and time I encounter an issue that seems to be a pseudo Pay To Win. The new weapons like the Martlet and the Heat Weapons are incredibly difficult to compete against. Between the cracked out stats, frame and fire rate of Martlet to the weirdly accurate Heat Weapons I cycle through so many of my own trying to find something that works. What I've concluded is that this is on purpose. These weapons are designed to be Over-the-top and nigh impossible to win against, unless you have your own. In essence if you don't buy the new DLC you will suffer and won't be able to be successful. I hope someone at Bungie reads this. It's a long shot I know. But you have to understand that this is not Ok. This is not how you should be advertising your latest content.[/quote] No mate what ruined PvP is the player base… Their desire to be like streamers and dominate PvP caused them to be lazy. This player base wants one hit kills and apparantly ability spam Basically they all want easy mode. Hand cannons with incredible range and aim assist, shotguns (any mindless idiot can weild a shotgun) rocket launchers, grenade launchers PvP is nothing but a -blam!- measuring contest to see who can use the better crutch from invis to grenades like axion bolt Enter a match you’ll see nothing but hand cannons, shotguns/grenade launchers and truth rocket launcher Unless you are will to join the cult of the lazy your Fu—-ed

Hand cannon, shotgun, snipers. Has been and still is incredibly over powered in pvp. Just because you can now use a Pulse rifle. That doesn't mean that there is a massive issue that is going to kill pvp.

More like Bu8ngie continues to wreck pvp I remember when they said that they want to make it about the weapons in pvp and not the abilities lol yup

PvP has been buns for a long time now lol. They took almost anyone at the studio who cared about PvP development and put them on marathon. PvP in Destiny is still the most played part of the game even now. Really needs more investment.

If I were to go on this forum, which some would declare "THE MAJORITY," PvP has been wrecked for some time. Kind of weird how people keep at it though, right?

PvP has been bad for a while.

You havent played for several months, THATS why youre getting beat. The weapons arent the issue, you're just losing fights

If you don’t understand why this is then do yourself a favor, don’t try to start a business.

I bought Renegades and I partially agree with you.. but its not specific to Renegades... and I am not even convinced its on purpose. There are just weapons that make it through that are cracked (imo its not necessarily advertising its just lack of attention to detail/testing).. its better than usual right now actually... but there is one I won't mention that I see tearing it up in Control when its in there. (get the heat weapons out of your head... dont worry about the sound you immediately hear... just find your weapon that works) PVP is supposed to have nearly balanced weapons... you have slight variances by buff/nerf per season to keep it interesting but overall certain ranges and types of styles should work for a variety of weapons. So despite having Renegades and earned a bunch of weapons including Dungeon.. I like/need to play with a variety of weapons to keep it interesting. ...so if you made it this far I can let you know what I have tested that works from the old group of weapons but I'd like to hear what you have tried and whats your style?

You left and came back to pvp? Right there is your first issue. Pvp has never been the focus of this game and never will be. Now for the weapons. None of them are game breakingly overpowered. There are plenty of weapons that can and do beat them with no issue.