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AbsolutZeroGIにより編集済み: 10/7/2025 10:42:11 PM
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Bungie has lost touch with its entire player base.

Nothing I'm reading in TWIDs feel like the company is paying any attention to anything anymore. 1. Portal caters to a VERY specific type of player who likes to grind the same 3-5 minute activities all day every day. Having to grind for 250 light levels just to farm armor sucks, even if you get to keep that armor going into Renegades. Renegades will still be "farm Portal on an infinite loop" to get whatever gear Bungie releases to power creep what's already here. More than half the content in the game, including RAD content, Gambit, and other stuff won't have tiered armor, which results in half the game being soft sunset, even into Portal's second DLC. 2. Raid races are a scam, and no one cares about them anymore. Bungie got away with Salvation's Edge because it was the "final raid of the Light/Dark story." However, TDP and TDP Epic have continued this farfetched and unpopular notion that day 1 raids need to only be accessible to the top 0.1% when literally ALL data shows that people have the most fun when the raids are like DSC, Vow, Crota, VoG, and Root levels of difficult and not TDP and SE levels of difficult. 3. This extends to LFG as well. Bungie overtuning these raids makes them very unfun to run with random people, unlike older raids. Bungie, streamers, and hardcore players who don't engage with LFG very, very heavily underappreciated and underestimated how important it was that this content be playable with random people. 4. Power level is a mess. Back in the day, it used to denote actual "power", giving you the ability to out-level content (to some extent, GMs, for example, have always been power limited). In this Portal era, light level serves as a lock that prevents you from getting good loot. Power level limits don't seem to make any sense as each activity is limited, but then also internal mechanics are changed (like raids have easier red bars and harder bosses, but are still light capped), which means -20 feels different based on the activity you're doing. 5. There are no progression systems in this game. We are all the same power all the time, and every activity feels the same regardless of your light leve. Bungie removing our ability to "graduate out" of old content and into new content makes everything feel like a chore, which doesn't lead to more fun, it leads to burnout. 6. Bungie underestimates how sentimental people can be when it comes to this stuff. Before the light level reset, our 2000+ light levels were testaments to our experience, having been doing this for 7 years. Resetting it back to zero was a tone deaf move that erased more than half a decade of growth and progression. 7. This game was not a game of menus. It was a game of action. Flying in with your space magic, taking out bad guys, beating bosses, and solving puzzles. Now, the entire gameplay loop takes place in a menu, with an over-emphasis on buildcrafting, the existence of Portal over the the Director (which was more immersive). Every activity you have to craft your build, then select your activity, configure the mods. In a game with amazing graphics and tons of cool designs, we spend half our time in this game looking at text boxes, like it's 1985 again. I get that Bungie's B-Squad wants to make their mark on this game, but they're basically turning it into Warframe. A game where you grind the same couple of activities over and over (just on different maps, and don't try to be pedantic, all strikes are the same, they're just on different maps with map-specific triggers) to farm items at increasing difficulties over time. I also get that people who play this game a lot think they know what the community likes, but they don't. Streamers know what streamers like, hardcore players know what hardcore players like, and casual players know what casual players like, and when taking in feedback, ALL THREE DEMOGRAPHICS should be taken into account. The thing is, every game that has ever tried to be Destiny 2 has failed because none of them were able to capture that charm that Bungie had with older D2. Now, the B Squad is turning D2 into the kind of games that failed in trying to be Destiny 2. If these developers want to make a new game, let them, but changing Destiny 2 into something it isn't will kill the game, assuming it isn't dead already, which it might be.

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  • Most importantly the biggest issue I can definitely tell even streamers even agree that what's the point of hitting 500? there's no content that requires you to be 500 unless you want to increase your guardian rank to rank 10 or if you're trying to do conquests... You would think because of an expansion that they would have introduced new content for the portal that requires you to be 500 that would give you brand new rewards if this was the bungee from destiny one that's exactly what have happened!!

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    • Yeah lost touch with the player base but didn't lose touch with streamers what they really want because after all that is what matters right what they want versus what the community wants.

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    • Destiny 2 went downhill both narratively and as a game in general with the release of Lightfall. It never recovered that downward trend. TFS was and is massively overrated and EOF has basically soft sunset most of the game.

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      • Quickly logged in to give my own 2 cents now before getting some sleep. A game made for everyone is a game made for no one, as Arrowhead Games so famously has as their motto. Destiny, [b]especially Destiny 1[/b], used to be focused around casuals/mediocre players FIRST, with optional benefits for above average and pro players SECOND. Destiny 1 raids were never balanced around a world first race and later "made easier" or removing a contest mode modifier on day 1. It was just the default raid difficulty, who finished it first legit got the hall of fame spot first. Strikes were made for everyone, had no timer, had difficulty that needed some mastery and can even be beaten Solo when done right on highest difficulties. Crucible was purely for the fun. Trials of Osiris when it came out in House of Wolves was INCREDIBLE CASUAL FRIENDLY. Average players like me in PvP could manage to reach the Lighthouse 3 times each week for the entire HoW DLC easily on 3 different characters in reasonable time. Because it was designed to be fun, not to be hard. When people like me spoke about "making Destiny harder", we were talking about making the game challenging in ways how Destiny 1 did. Few modifiers that are fun to play with/against at. Power mattering but taking longer to get. Exotics feeling rare and unique, not daily-login slop to collect from random XY mob/lost sector dropping it (remember, the last exotic that was a world drop find was around the launch of Shadowkeep or so). Not this BS we have today. The worlds and visualy? [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POViCsC4cxg]Feeling upscaled and empty[/url]. The Grind? Is now full on unpaid work, not fun as it should be. The RNG? Used to be a fun driving factor, not an obstacle to overcome (tbh, I blame perk websites and dataminining for this - knowing the "best in slots" easily within 0.5-1 week of a patch drop is just fun killing). The Gear/Transmogs? Paid content starts to look more and more like trash/license stuff, nothing close to the unique and interesting Art Style Destiny 1 had. It's not nostalgia when factually major things are so fundamentally lacking in quality compared to the prequel. If I would have known back then that Destiny 2 would turn out like this, I would likely have stuck to Destiny 1. I wanted Destiny 1 with more content. Not a completely different game by now such as Destiny 2 is. From a Destiny game to a lobby browser LFG tool (Portal). What doomed Destiny was going Free2Play. And back then I thought it would be good for the game.

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        • The only time I’ve obsessively farmed was for my Unicorn Godroll of Heliocentric to match my Demi-god armor build around Khepris Horn build. Which has been nerfed into the ground and is a speck of its former self. Even the smallest organisms have a large impact on an ecosystem

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        • When we talk about Destiny at its peak, we may say foresaken, final shape, or taken king, but nobody recalls the numbers they chased. We Remember the battles we faced!!!! Sadly all things eventually must come to an end......great memories were had. Thank you to all the past devs at Bungie who brought those great times......

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        • Well said. To bad you wasted this time saying all of this when you could be playing better games. To many out there to waste it on this stupid crap. Honestly the only reason im even here right now is because I decided to check the forums while Im taking a poop 😆

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          • OBI-SWEDE KENOBIにより編集済み: 10/9/2025 12:24:51 PM
            Well written! Unfortunately Bungie doesn’t care anymore. The game seems to have enter and downward death spiral from which there is no coming back. Bad decisions combined with paralysis by action seems to a reality at Bungie now. I believe that the decline in player numbers will continue, especially if taken into account that BF6 and COD launch is around the corner which most likely will see players switching to those titles. Their best way forward would be to remove the portal and leveling system with it.

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          • 1. We know who it caters to. As usual, scumgie hates the casual player. It's been like this for years and won't change. 2. Raid races are basically fixed when you think about it, contest mode participants are usually given coaches. I don't care what people say, content creators detest their own audience and that goes onto point 3. These "creators" will only play with their approved people, they won't play with others outside of their own decrepid little sweatfest of an echo chamber. F*** all of them. They made the game this way. 4. Power at this point is crap, the old grind to 2020 was much better since over-levelling was a badge of honor and not like it is now as a badge of stupidity. 5. Scumgie try to reinvent the wheel and instead make a diarrhea filled toilet somehow. My own points. Can we please get rid of DMG and tyson greed. Dmg is like some reddit tier moderator drunk on his own delusional power trip, and tyson greed is a guy who I swear is a moniker since he doesn't seem to have even a remote presence within the company. Bring back Joe. Start getting the community to vote on changes rather than having a select few "leaders of the community" speaking on our behalf. Its like animal bloody farm on this game. Tiered loot sucks, adepts were (and still are) better along with the original tiered loot system.

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            • This game would not be this total mess if it were trying to be Warframe. There, your progress matters. There, your time is respected. There, the devs pay attention to player feedback and constantly seek to fix and balance the game to the best of their ability. This game is a joke compared to WF in so many aspects, even before this dumb expansion. People who play Destiny usually only play Destiny and have no idea how many basic features a game that supposedly, allegedly, should be an MMO shooter, lacks. No real economy, no real social features for solo players and clans, no useful in-game tool tips, heavy reliance on 3rd party sites and apps to provide what should be default features of a game that is almost a decade old, and the list goes on and on. Bungie died years ago, and its rotten corpse is finally decomposing, and this is the result. Don't expect anything better than this.

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              • Player base lost touch with itself as well, like in many others public sphere of life, people don’t give a fart anymore about anything else than what they want. Hardcore players think the game is too rewarding and that the issue, casual think it’s too hard and that’s the issue, streamers want the game to be more exclusive so instead of playing you watch them play… and no one is willing to budge on their view. If Bungie were to invent Halo today, and ask the community what they would like to see, we’d end up with a half baked turd between Fortnite, CoD and No Man’s sky. Surprisingly they managed to find a direction atm everyone agrees on: it sucks.

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                • Spot on and the players are letting Bungie know. They are leaving in abundant. As this was never what was wanted or needed. The portal is basically added as they couldn't make any meaningful content. The company has widdled down the staff and its basically a skeleton crew. They ain't going to take the people off of eververse to create more meaningful content. So this is what we got. Good luck to anyone buying marathon as this company has lost all my trust.

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                  • “Bungies B squad” LMMFAO you’re so right. It’s like when the Beatles let Ringo write music 😆 trash nothing but hot trash.

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                    • Good well thought out post

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                    • Awesome post. I agree 💯.

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                    • They haven't cared for a long time. Feel bad for those who feel ensnared by this IP. Grateful for the good times I had in this franchise. More grateful to have escaped!

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                    • Have you seen everything announced recently regarding Marathon? It's a $40 game with a Deluxe Edition, Preorder Bonuses, and a Season Pass all for a game with only three maps and less than thirty weapons at launch. Bungie only cares about one thing; squeezing as much money out of people as possible before Sony finally decides enough is enough.

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                      • Agree well said… portal needs removing

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                      • its not the same bungie. so its work in progress. if they opened the game back up,brought back gm strikes , you could gage how the new armor and weapons actually compare to pre eof. might be one of many reasons why the dont. they have to adjust every portal activity or the game breaks.

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                      • Update to get a boost Dungeon exotics dropping from comp, 24/7 burnout, 4v4 clash supremacy eruption. Omnigul strike double xp loot and reintroduce grasp of malok

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                      • Ron was an utter failure and the community did not like how much of a joke it was. Crota is one of the lowest cleared so I don't know how you lump that in with Ron for difficulty on day 1 800 teams got actual day 1... epic tdp was a great spot for a contest raid. A pinnacle activity meant to test your skill to the limits shouldnt be for everyone and people need to accept not everyone is on the same skill level and not everyone gets everything. That's the real problem there.

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                        • SCRFY N3RF HRDRにより編集済み: 10/8/2025 8:22:21 PM
                          2nd This one for jman… plop

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                          • Xavion Reyにより編集済み: 10/9/2025 2:09:55 AM
                            This was spot on! I usually don’t enjoy reading such long posts, but this was a great read. You touch on many of the subjects I absolutely agree with and have been saying for years. Thank you for this post.

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                            • Well spoken. A lot of my clan has hit "grinding fatigue", and we're getting more and more people reconnecting with the older, fun dungeons and raids. Even going back to replay campaigns.

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                              • [quote]I get that Bungie's B-Squad wants to make their mark on this game, but they're basically turning it into Warframe. A game where you grind the same couple of activities over and over (just on different maps, and don't try to be pedantic, all strikes are the same, they're just on different maps with map-specific triggers) to farm items at increasing difficulties over time.[/quote] I rather play Warframe than this half baked imitation

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                                • When we talk about Destiny at its peak, we may say foresaken, final shape, or taken king, but nobody recalls the numbers they chased. We Remember the battles we faced!!!! Sadly all things eventually must come to an end......great memories were had. Thank you to all the past devs at Bungie who brought those times......

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