Oh boy, can't wait for my PvE subclass to be nerfed because of some whiny PvPer. Again. Here, let me get hunters into a state that you'll accept, hm? Hunter: -Reduced health to 1 -Removed all abilities -Movement speed slowed to .3, and can no longer jump -Can only equip common weapons -All exotics disabled There, pookie. Just giving you what you actually want but are too cowardly to ask for. Mind you, you'd still find something to complain about when it comes to the "crucible boogeyman" that is Hunter.

Bro needs his eyes checked. Vision degrades with age👴

Sliding/sprinting/jumping shotguns are a far bigger problem. Just pull the trigger, free kill.

Keep practicing, you’ll beat those hunters eventually 😂

Invis hunters/smoke bombs have been around since witch queen or before, they're absolutely nothing new. Smoke bombs are wayyyyy easier to counter/avoid now after Bungie nerfed them. Invis hunters are easy as hell to see, even at mid-long range, they're hardly a "problem" (never were), and even if they were then they've been that way for years - yet no one starting acting like they're destroying the game until recently. For months after TFS released all everyone whined about was swarm grenades, smoke bombs and decoys, yet all of these things have been around for years (decoys less-so) and people act like they're new. Sure they're more ubiquitous now, but just as avoidable/counterable as they've always been, and this is coming from a "mid" skill player. They've all been nerfed like crazy and are easily countered now, they feel much better balanced imo.

fundamentally... unequal radar manipulation & wall hacks, invis, freeze, smoke (most of those are hunter things) seem not correct for a balanced PVP... ...I say new storyline for Frontiers.. Hunters are the enemy.. we will put them to deep rest and a new class will emerge.. hmm or merge into 1 class >> Titlock.. hmm or maybe Wartan... yes that avoids any mispronunciations.. ...what do you say my crayon-eating brothers? will you join my fellow Warlocks and I to finally remove these demons? (I imagine the Arnold + Carl Weathers five scene from Predators... Dylan , you son of a B...)

Void hunter, hand cannon, shotgun, stompees... literally crying wolf over here... 🤗

Lemme guess, you play hunter. Your weapons of choice are hand cannons, shotgun, and an eager edge sword. You use stompee’s because you think anything else “requires no skill.” Dare I even check?

Thank god they Gutted Khepris Horn amiright

No, invis must stay, you must be new but even back in d1 you got no clue how many times an invisible hunter saved many fireteams from raid wipes, Osiris, nightfall and such, you are pretty much taking away one of the basic traits of a hunter

bros got a 4.32 sus/streamer level kd and 82% accuracy (higher than wallah) with a hawkmoon trying to say that the issue with 450s is that they kill as fast as the other weapon archetype with 100 aim assist being 140 hand cannons. absolutely wild post. no the issue is not that 450s kill too fast. the issue isn't even really with 450s themselves. the issue is that lone wolf provides 20 aim assist half of snapshot sights and twice the ae of extended mag and its on the most easily accessable 450 roll in the game being the redrix default roll. placing that broken of a perk on an archetype that already has 70-80 aim assist and high forgiveness makes the weapon game breaking. and literally every single person i have talked to above a 2kd has said the same exact thing. that and zealots reward getting 19.2m of range is also just absurd. what needs to happen is that lone wolfs values need to be halved (making it still arguably the strongest pvp perk in the game) and the forgiveness buff on 450s needs to be reverted. this is because the gun can effectively be crouch strafed while hardly worrying about accuracy because the gun has insane forgiveness and basically aims for you. also closing time values on fusion rifles needs to be halved as well. aishas heavy burst on the other hand is very balanced. other than range 140s are far superior weapons same with 120s. thats why we see the weapon at maximum 1% usage rate even on the weekend were 6 of them are dropping after each match. with void hunter however 1000% agree. both trappers ambush and vanishing step need to increase the cooldown on smoke bomb and hunter dodge respectively. not as high of a cooldown as threaded specter but definitely up there.

As is smoke it's does for too much for what it is

Invisible hunter doesn’t really bother me too much. My only issue with it is that I’m colorblind and have difficulty seeing them sometimes.

I know it comes with time played and experience in crucible. But a smoke bomb and Invis is the most loudest thing you can hear in a match. And if you’re watching the radar you know exactly what a hunter will do

Here come the Jim’s who play crucible 3 games a week to tell you that you are wrong and that it’s a skill issue!

Then I peep your equipped void Hunter and we are supposed to listen to a Hippo

Preach bro thanks for saying it better. Invis needs another rework it’s always been fundamentally too strong