You can mindlessly shoot sh*t in 90% of the game. This is ENDgame content. Its supposed to be designed like this. This is what you do to make your builds, guns and others thing syou grinded for to have them have actual MEANING.

That is what MASTER crap is for. I'm sure you're a million times better than I am, probably two million times better than average players. Not everyone is as godly as you, but if Bungie wants to survive, they need non-godly players to play (i.e., enjoy) more than just patrols and strikes.

It doesn't matter how godly I am or how better I am than you. This is the GENRE of game you are playing. The thing is that people KNEW this and follwed instructions accordingly and became successful enough to be able to handle the hardest of the hard content. Now the people don't want to be part of the community. Refuse to use all the tools at their disposal. To be part of something we all love to bring out the full potential and all this game has to offer, to reject that is no fault other than the people who don't want to learn and grow. That is the purpose of this game. And it really bugs me that people went the opposite direction than me. I mean those who complain about the genre and purpose of this game. I was ALSO bad at this game but I used tools, content creators, I have met friends to laugh and have fun with that spread information throughout the community (even random people) to share their findings and how they deal with content. Its the constant refusal and thinking that it's impossible to push passed your limitations. Instead people choose to get angry at the genre of game they're playing. Essentially the same people who complain that Dark Souls is too hard and should be made for everyone. 90% of the game is casual and anytime there is anything added with an expectation for you to actually use their brain, people freak out. Not understanding that there needs to be a purpose for the loot they grinded for. Which is ENDgame.That is what master is for. Yes. But regular endgame and master are no where near together in difficulty. You're blowing normal endgame out of proportion to where you think it's impossible. If people just stepped into endgame, they would realize that the new Dungeon is actually one of the EASIER dungeons. Its literally just connect the dots. Symbol drops. Point light to said symbol. That's it. And people are complaining. At some point, there needs to be a moment where you say "Dang..... this actually wasn't that bad". Which people would see if they actually TRIED to find a Sherpa, got together with like minded people. Tldr: - It's lack of people's willingness to even try - Overcomplicating puzzles. New dungeon is actually REALLY EASY. - If that's what master is for, than that means you don't need a build (which you don't any one can do it.) - Make your own Fireteam to learn. You have a plethora of tools at your disposal in game and out. - Every single player that is good at the game use to be a BAD player. Like me. But we didn't complain. We used those tools and got better. - Destiny 2 should be treated as a ladder. If you don't want to climb it, that's fine. But don't complain and blame others for your lack of wanting or lack of ability to do so. People aren't saying to make your own fireteams as disrespectful, they're saying that because that's LITERALLY what everyone did in the beginning. Destiny is far from perfect, but this game being a social game that's supposed to get people together to do the hardest content is not the problem of the game. That's the goal of all games with endgame. There are people who don't want to touch endgame. That's fine. But again. Don't complain about your PERSONAL choice.

Bro, I'm not bad. My rank is higher than yours. I can definitely watch the videos and learn the mechanics and hold my own in most any activity. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. Many people don't want to. It doesn't matter "what the genre is." Lots of failed companies stubbornly defended their niches until they went broke. Successful companies don't demand their customers get better at using their products; they build products their customers want to use.

[quote]Bro, I'm not bad. My rank is higher than yours. I can definitely watch the videos and learn the mechanics and hold my own in most any activity. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. Many people don't want to.[/quote] Rank means nothing. I have flawlessed all raids except Salvations Edge and have every raid title except Sword bearer (one off) and Salvations Edge . Out of all the things you could use to say you're better than me, rank isn't one of them. But if you don't want to, that's fine. Are you still playing is the question. MANY PEOPLE DO want this content. Like me. Outside of the forum, there are more posts about what to do and guides and maps and mechanics and saying how it's good. Also this forum is ALWAYS in the minority. Like this place is miniscule compared to everywhere else. It's an echo chamber. Also Pantheon was the most success this game has seen in a while. Godslayer being the most common raid title. So yes. There are people who want this content. A LOT of people. [quote]It doesn't matter "what the genre is." Lots of failed companies stubbornly defended their niches until they went broke.[/quote] But notice how this game hasn't. Notice how this game still has many players playing it. Even more now with Vog crafting and this dungeon. You are playing an MMO looter shooter that expects you to grind to get more powerful, make builds, and use your brain for endgame content. That is not a niche. That is the standard game with endgame content. If you want to quit because you bought an MMO, than be my guest. But this game will live on as it always has without the whining players who, instead of ignoring the content they don't want to do, they complain about said content. This content isn't made for everyone. That's the point. But if you want to sit there and think that rank means something, go do something actually noteworthy in the game. [quote]Successful companies don't demand their customers get better at using their products; they build products their customers want to use.[/quote] Yes they do. FFXIV, Wow, Any MMO really, Any From Software game, any Monster Hunter game, Diablo, Path of Exile, Any Rougue-Like, any Metroidvania. You're rewarded for being good.i don't know why you try to reject this concept when it's beencin gaming for YEARS. These are games that have a ladder where you start off as a noob, and you gradually get better at the game because you start to understand what to do better, make builds, etc. Not to mention the plethora of people on reddit, Twitter, 3rd party sites, Sherpas, and guides to help those who may not have the time to learn. I like how your constant rejection into the formula of how these games sustain themselves causes you to think that successful companies don't expect their players to get better. Like that's the main point for a LOT of games. And people LOVE IT. To point where they actually complain about the content rather than the EXISTENCE of said content. Also YOU'RE the outsider here. Destiny has always limited people who can't get into endgame. In Destiny 1, you couldn't get to max light level if you didn't raid. There were no PINNACLES to grind for because the only loot that could drop at max was the raid. In the middle of Destiny 2's life cycle, they made it so that everyone could get to pinnacle cap form simply doing strikes. Shared power is now a thing.

If Amazon stubbornly said, "We are an online bookstore and we aren't going to adapt to the changing market conditions," they wouldn't rule the world. They'd have gone out of business like most booksellers long ago. If Bungie stubbornly says, "We're an MMO and we aren't going to adapt to changing market conditions," they will continue losing players and staff until they're just a memory. It's pretty empirical, bro. Are player numbers going up or down? Has Bungie been adding employees or losing them recently? You're probably a better player than me, surely a better person than me, but there is no way in hell that you understand business better than me.

It doesn't matter if you understand business better than me. I use what's actually happening in the here and now. You can make all the dumb predictions you want. Doesn't change the fact that people are playing this dungeon and actually like endgame. That has nothing to do with business and understanding the common sense of the game that you're playing. Also I like how you used Amazon as an example and not an actual gaming company. Games don't adapt their entire genre. Destiny has always been like this and the fact that people are complaining now about it is baffling to me. It always had hard to content in it. Meta builds. Meta guns. It's just that the people who didn't keep tabs on it are now realizing they they screwed up but don't want to/can't admit. THE PLAYERS didn't adapt but they have too much of an ego to admit it. Bungie shouldn't adapt to the whining people who are bad at the game who don't understand how the game works. Those people should just leave. Trust me you're in the minority. LFG discords and 3rd parties are thriving. If you want to make up a random metric because you think you're a business major, then that's on you. Not me. Destiny used to be way more strict and still thrived on that. Again the game almost died when it was more casual than ever. Also if someone's 14 and 16-year-old daughters can do this dungeon, then I think people should start blaming themselves rather than the game.

Please explain why Bungie keeps shedding employees if everyone except me loves the direction the game is headed.

Strawman. Many employees across all gaming companies were laid off. Also employees have nothing to do with this dungeon. Money loss with Lightfall. That's mainly their reasoning. Please stay on topic.

Staffing levels aren't correlated to customer levels? OMG! Jesus, bro, you have zero credibility. 🤣

*sigh* "Bungie employees were recently fired as part of a large layoff, primarily due to the company citing "rising costs of development," a "quality miss" with the Destiny 2 expansion "Lightfall," and the need to streamline operations to focus primarily on Destiny 2 and the upcoming Marathon game, leading to a decision to cut around 17% of their workforce (approximately 220 employees). " If you think that end game content is the reason as to why there were layoffs, you are dumber than I took you for. You are by definition, strawmanning. Stay on topic.

So, according to your argument, Bungie would be more successful if they focused exclusively on end game content with more and more mechanics and damage phases. And your argument is supported by what anecdotal metrics exactly? That two days after a new dungeon drops, Discord LFGs seem plentiful? Well no duh! It's no secret that D2 players have been abandoning the game in droves. I'm confident that many of those players would say they've left because the game just isn't fun anymore. But whatever, bro, take the blue pill and believe whatever you want to believe.

you’re wasting your time, bro. the cult is gonna come for you. i logged in and was thinking of trying this trash. i took a look at rick khakis super long video and went into a strike. i died in the first few minutes and i logged out. this game was destroyed. i think it’s been irreparably ruined. just my opinion.

Why do people who don't immediately bash bungie get labeled as cult members? Do you think it's possible they disagree or have a differing opinion than you? Or no that's not possible as your opinion is the only one that can possibly be correct and valid?

and again! thanks for the confirmation! feel free to shout at the clouds as much as you like. i won’t be stopping you. anymore to add?

The first mistake was pandering to a streamer. The second was trying to pass your opinion off as valid using a bogus account.

LOL! like clockwork the cult attacks when you dislike the trash. thanks for the confirmation. feel free to respond with whatever projection you deem appropriate. your responses always prove how correct people are.

You can mindlessly shoot stuff elsewhere than a dungeon such as some of the seasonal stuff