It's not the zen on elsies that makes it broken and I'm not going to say why it's better than messenger because I don't want it nerfed because it is not that big of an issue. And 340s/elsies are not even the top gun used. We are still easily in a 120 140 hand cannon meta based on gun usuage and top player gun usage. Unlike hand cannons 340s require the player to be out in the open with very minimal if none strafing with low mobility without peek shooting to actually get that 2 burst ttk with absolute consistency. To a noob with 0 movement who doesnt know understand or refuses to get better at the game 340 seem broken when in reality they're at best very strong. Literally every post I have seen complaining about 340s have been from people trying to main hand cannons who are clearly refusing to improve on their movement and would rather qq on the forums. Literally every single one is a self proclaimed HC main qq. The thing is 450 autos were already nerfed, because of that we are in a hand cannon rose/iggy meta, and if 340's are nerfed it will be a very very gross 140 120 meta. And I'm very positive the 450 nerf (which made 340s more powerful for their range coverage) were the same people who attempt to main HCs for reasons other than their own performance qq'ing because there was a gun that could outperform theirs if they weren't using their weapon archetype the way it is meant to be used. Also to everyone complaining, the most xim and cronused gun archetypes are 140 and 120 hcs by a landslide. So those asking for a nerf do not realize the hellscape they're ushering in on the playerbase if their wishes are granted considering how many people cheat at higher elo's and that trials is not sbmm. And to those of you that do not understand how to use hand cannons. The gun archetype should never and I mean never out ttk a gun archetype that cannot peek shoot. If it can it becomes the most broken weapon in the game. The way you are meant to use handcannons is to take advantage of the movement they provide. Handcannons have by very large margins the highest per bullet damage excluding scout rifles, the highest ranges (iggy actually has more range than 340s), the highest strafe speeds, the highest in air accuracy, the highest aim assist values, the lowest zoom, and the lowest ads speeds of any gun archetype. If you think it is only fair that other guns have to kill as slow as your hand cannon you have no idea what you're talking about and need to get off the forums and go learn how to properly play the game. Oh and btw asside from scout rifles, 450 and 340s pulses have the lowest numbers in most of those stats, lower than even the riposte in almost all of those stats which only kills 0.03 seconds slower. In other words MASSIVE skill issue. Go look for yourself. Khvostov rose meta. https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights

So? This game is on life support and you're worried about a gun that a minority of players use in a minority activity?

I wanna see pulses nerfed. Same as scouts, its just boring when you need to use them because everyone else is and it just becomes half lane camping. Its boring, just like an AR meta. Bring back HCs! Also undo almost every change made from the March 5th update onwards.

Dude they need a nerf. Elsie’s kills me before my internet connection even knows what happened. Fix that garbage

My messenger takes sh[b]i[/b]ts on Elsie’s.

Tbf NTtE has always been like that too, it's just that Elsies feels more oppressive because it is a legendary and not an exotic

If people don’t complain about it, it will not get nerfed.

They straight up just shouldn’t 2-burst,I’m trials if you’re playing to win you’re forced into using the Elsie’s or any other 340 the two-burst isn’t even hard to get. 340s have what’s basically scout range,the hit as hard as bows,and they have the TTK of a sidearm,frankly I think it’s ridiculous and I can’t believe people have barely started to complain about them. The three weapons I’ve always hated in trials are fusions,340 pulses,and bows. Bows aren’t a problem now but man,trials feels impossible against people running pulses or fusions.

Messenger is just as great as Elsie’s but it’s harder to get. Plus, you can run conditional or the new crafted kinetic shotgun in the primary slot. I could see high impacts getting a slight forgiveness nerf anyway but that already happened when then rebalanced weapon damage and health. I think Elsie’s is the Igneous of pulse rifles. It will always be a top choice with high usage. It’s a stat monster and was so easy to get. Red Death is the Ace of Spades and Messenger is Rose. They’re all top choices hopefully other weapon types will get brought up before nerfs. Generally think weapon balance is ok.

This is extremely difficult to do on controller.

I only occasionally play and even I could see long ago when I played that 340's being able to 2 tap without a damage perk is just stupid and overpowered. I'm honestly surprised the pvp community let 340's go for this long.

I also hope they don't destroy the archtype b/c of Elsies.

I see the messenger more than that. Some1 pissed you off enough to make this post.

Noooooo I have an old roll of messenger with zen moment headseeker pls don't take my favorite toy awayyyyyyy 😭