There was nothing wrong with the old system the way it was, where you could get good rewards for doing "bot walk" content. One day, when you actually have a job, you'll get it. Until then, maybe keep your insults to yourself. Some people don't want D2 to be the most tedious thing they do all day.

So adorable when people start making assumptions through computer screens, but I didn't insult anybody. You just saw a shoe that fit, put it on, and got upsetti spaghetti, poor thing :( So quick to play the victim. Bot walking is a gaming term and Datto quite literally did basically all the content outside of endgame via botwalking to prove the point that the game was too easy back then. All I'm saying is return that with lesser rewards. Lesser effort = lesser rewards. That's how plenty of jobs work, sweet pea. You don't compensate a supervisor or manager as much as you do a clerk or a lead, so by your own example, you should agree with me. One day, when you actually have a job, you'll get it. :)

[quote]So adorable when people start making assumptions through computer screens, but I didn't insult anybody. You just saw a shoe that fit, put it on, and got upsetti spaghetti, poor thing :( So quick to play the victim. Bot walking is a gaming term and Datto quite literally did basically all the content outside of endgame via botwalking to prove the point that the game was too easy back then. All I'm saying is return that with lesser rewards. Lesser effort = lesser rewards. That's how plenty of jobs work, sweet pea. You don't compensate a supervisor or manager as much as you do a clerk or a lead, so by your own example, you should agree with me. One day, when you actually have a job, you'll get it. :)[/quote] Oh wow we brought out all the Tumblr arguments in this one didn't we? Here's a notion for you. Don't fall it "bot walk" content and people will stop talking to you like I'm sure they consistently do. Doing 50 vanguard strikes is the same level of time investment regardless of whether it's +20 or -5. And we're not getting better rewards for it being at -5 anyway, so your point is entirely invalid no matter how you shake it. All the good rewards are in master and GM difficulties which are exactly the same as they have been for a couple of years now. So, the crappier rewards are more tedious to get and the good rewards are exactly as easy as they have been. So, that's already backwards. The only difference is how much people enjoy themselves while spending a dozen hours grinding vanguard ops for Zavala rep gains for the ritual weapon.

The only two ways people consistently talk to me when I call it "bot walk content" is completely understanding what I mean and engaing with the substantive point behind the comment OR like you have-whining and playing victim. You are not the every man. Your reactions are not everyone's reactions and plenty of people can ascertain the point without taking it like a knife in the face. Time investment is irrelevant to me and has not been any part of my argument. Effort and merit >>>> time investment. Just because I spend 48 hours doing patrols doesn't mean I feel I should be handsomely rewarded for doing so. The difficulty of what you do should directly correlate to the rewards you get. My point is not invalid because the rewards didn't get buffed when they added the defecit lol. That's not how reward allocation works, champ. Should they have buffed it? Sure. I'll never say no to more rewards for increased EFFORT (not time investment) but they didn't and it's not really a pain point to me save a few exceptions, like Trials non-adept loot drops, or raid/dungeon exotic weapon drop rates. The only path to ritual weapons isn't sitting in the lowest tier activity for hours on end and if you want that path to be more fun and engaging, the ask shouldn't be for it be easier. Easy =/= automatic fun, and before you spontaneously combust, I do agree that hard doesn't automatically equal fun either. People need to detach the idea of fun from difficulty together, especially when we're talking about brain-off activities like the vanguard ops playlist. More fonts, more buffs, better modifiers, etc. should ALL be considered before we dumb the game back down, and if we do need to do that, why should they be earning rewards at the same clip as people doing the content on harder difficulties? Another way to phrase this if it hits your brain better is that they should add back what i'll politely call easy mode so you don't get offended again and then increase the rewards for everything above it. It means the exact same thing. Add the easy mode back and have it yield less rewards than everything else above it. Simple as.

[quote]The way people consistently talk to me when I call it "bot walk content" is completely understanding what I mean and engaing with the substantive point behind the comment[/quote] Get out of your echo chamber buddy.

Using phrases that have no application in this context isn't the win you think it is, sweet pea.

You literally typed a definition of what is an echo chamber. You keep telling yourself it isn't and arguing about it only adds ammunition to my argument.

You really need to look up what "playing victim" means cuz you're using the phrase wrong. You also really need to look up what "effort" means because you're also using that word wrong. There is a reason why people very often use the phrase "time and effort" with those two words together, because spending time doing something IS effort.

"when someone fabricates or exaggerates their victimhood to manipulate others, avoid responsibility, or for other reasons" When I make a benign comment at which you choose to take offense in order to grandstand about how you need the game maade easier for you, that is you fabricating your victimhood to try and manipulate this conversation lol. There's also a reason I married the words MERIT and effort, not time and effort. I don't care how other people use them. They're totally fine to use those words together, it's just not the point I'm making. I am making a completely salient point that time investment and actual merit are NOT the same thing and that merit should be rewarded, not just time investment. It's okay if you disagree with that, plenty do, but this nonsense where you can't respond to the points made and only unsuccessfully try to correct me on things you clearly don't understand yourself isn't doing anything for your point or against mine lol.

[quote]"when someone fabricates or exaggerates their victimhood to manipulate others, avoid responsibility, or for other reasons" When I make a benign comment at which you choose to take offense in order to grandstand about how you need the game maade easier for you, that is you fabricating your victimhood to try and manipulate this conversation lol. There's also a reason I married the words MERIT and effort, not time and effort. I don't care how other people use them. They're totally fine to use those words together, it's just not the point I'm making. I am making a completely salient point that time investment and actual merit are NOT the same thing and that merit should be rewarded, not just time investment. It's okay if you disagree with that, plenty do, but this nonsense where you can't respond to the points made and only unsuccessfully try to correct me on things you clearly don't understand yourself isn't doing anything for your point or against mine lol.[/quote] This is a video game dude, not a job. People should be playing it for fun, not gatekeeping loot based on their arbitrary (and not accurate) definition of "effort". If I gotta run 50 strikes to get a ritual weapon,I would prefer to do it at +20 over -5. Either way, I'm running 50 strikes, which more than qualifies as "putting in effort". And in order for me to play victim, I would first have to say I was one. All I said is calling it "bot walk" was stupid. That's not being a victim. That's calling you stupid, which you are.

[quote]All I said is calling it "bot walk" was stupid. That's not being a victim. That's calling you stupid, which you are.[/quote] You literally called it an insult, you logic-devoid single cell organism.

[quote][quote]All I said is calling it "bot walk" was stupid. That's not being a victim. That's calling you stupid, which you are.[/quote] You literally called it an insult, you logic-devoid single cell organism.[/quote] It is an insult. Calling people bots is a common D2 insult. Referring to the activities they like as "bot walks" is the same insult. What, did you think I didn't know that? Trolls man, I swear.

I didn't call anyone a bot. I called the content, bot-walk content. Swear to god if you people could read, we'd have flying cars by now.

Calling something bot walk content is just like calling the people who enjoy that content bots. Swear to god if you had a smidgen of written word comprehension, we'd have flying cars by now.

It’s not but your pseudo-intellectualism and regurgitating my phrases because you lack the mental faculties to substantively respond with an original thought is telling 😂

Ok buddy guardian. You keep telling yourself that. Edit: Gotta love when someone doesn't understand turn of phrases.

You can't even respond to things I actually said and have to reword it just to try, and fail, to dunk on it. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

As I understand it, you are in agreement with the OP however they took offense to the specific wording used, probably as it sounded like you were being sarcastic when referring to lower skilled players. However both of you doubled down over semantics so the conversation devolved into name calling which is unfortunate as it never really goes anywhere.

Ish. My position has been my position and if anything, I only became more vitriolic as I realized they weren't going to, and frankly couldn't, substantively respond. Not to mention multiple people in this thread tried to correct me on things they clearly have no idea about, with one guy even totally misquoting me just to try, and fail, at dunking on the misquote lol. It's not unfortunate to me. It passes the time that I will always have for people like that. And respectfully, if it's unfortunate to you, I would simply not join the conversation.

More a casual observation, the main point being the misunderstanding occurring between the conversation. Trolling is of course a time honored pastime on the internet, so no judgement there.