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Maddmunkeyにより編集済み:
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Anxiety, Toxicity, and a Game
I'll probably be relentlessly attacked by this but I don't really care at this point.
I just wanted to share this to either validate those who need it or help give insight to those who don't understand it.
Social Anxiety is real and it's involuntary. Sometimes, it can be caused by horrific things like events in the military, traumatic experiences, and so many other ways.
It hits in different ways. For me, it sets off my tinnitus that makes it so loud and painful it feels like I want to reach inside my brain and just pull it out. Its that painful itch you can't reach no matter how hard you try. It can also cause my brain to just stop working and suddenly I can barely remember how to even walk and just end up having to find a dark quiet space to attempt to meditate until it passes.
Hell sometimes I can dose myself up with the 800 meds some of us need to take in order to talk to another person and be fine but then maybe someone starts being a toxic A hole and it just sets off these reactions that I'm not in control of.
I WANT to learn every Dungeon, every raid, everything Destiny 2 has to offer but the challenges I've faced are:
Time constraints due to full time job and 3 toddlers
People I find on fireteam finder are not willing to help me learn despite tagging "first time" in post
People randomly leaving because you didn't do it right the first time
Being off my meds due to pharmacy issues so I can't handle saying another word to a person, like literally you try but noise will not come out of my mouth. Its really frustrating and can be embarrassing.
Lack of any kind of space in Destiny to learn or practice some of these mechanics without affecting others gameplay.
Or maybe I can't find the time to watch through the how to videos on mechanics of longer parts of the game from those same time constraints while also trying to follow while also trying to do the thing.
With this new exotic mission being the way it is I'm seeing more monstrous lashing out to people upset because this is NOT how they sold these items.
Dude this game is expensive and we pay for access to these things and in my opinion, creating something with such a desireable reward but requiring people to either play in ways they absolutely do NOT want to play or force communications in ways some people just can't is crap.
I'll enjoy a good challenge but come on even killing the prospect of trying to solo a dungeon because you can't die once without having to start over is garbage. It can't be that hard to have options like "learning modes" or "solo mode"
To me Destiny is a game and one I like to use to destress but that's getting harder and harder to do as manufactured Anxiety is being added to things I would love to do. Timers for a person dealing with a bunch at the time and just want to play for fun.... hell no.
Forcing me to actually talk to someone to be able to expand my build crafting... man come on.
I think people also forget these forums were originally set up for bungies way to communicate and listen to our feedback. While that seems to be out the window these days its still why we vent our frustrations here. Its supposed to help.
Anyway trolls troll if you must but anyone else... man have some compassion and stop with all the insults and fighting. We are all here to find a way to have a good time in a game we love for one reason or another. It belongs to anyone who picks it up to play, not just streamers, not just competitive players, and not just soloers and casual players. We should all have a path to be able to enjoy the game and have access to all the things we pay for in this game. Doesn't have to be easy, hell make it hard as you want, but I just wish it would not cut off the people with real issues that just need this game because its been there for 10 years as the thing that takes us away from the horrors and stresses of reality.
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6 通の返信Nenyaにより編集済み: 6/13/2024 6:46:17 AMI am sorry for what you are going through. And I am sorry for the general lack of empathy, compassion, and understanding you will find here, with few exceptions. I wish this community was more inclusive and willing to help ppl with disabilities. But the truth is, though it was more so in the beginning (I have played with awesome, helpful, nice, and extremely patient and kind ppl over the years), most of those ppl have already left or moved on. And what you see in this forum is what we are currently left with. I, too, used to do raids and other end game content with a clan and friends. Amazing ppl. But things have changed. Now I am a solo player. I am very realistic in my expectations of what I can and can't do alone as far as missions, quests, and other activities are concerned. Honestly, I no longer find most PVE enjoyable, interesting, or worth my time. Therefore, I am no longer purchasing new DLCs, Season Passes, or other PVE content, cause I know that as a solo player, I am unable to complete most of the more rewarding activities, while the ones I might still be able to complete solo are only the extremely boring ones. I might not like it, but this is the reality of this game as it is now for me. I've come to terms with it. I don't expect anything different moving forward. And I am past caring, to be honest. Every new season, I already know that I am not going to raid, do dungeons, acquire the latest fancy overpowered gear, subclass, and exotics. Now I play only a little crucible, with my old load out and my underpowered old guns, and I stay logged in as long as I am having fun for that day, then I turn it off and find something better to do with my time. Coming to this forum looking for sympathy and validation is mostly a waste of time. Sorry to say that, but it's the reality. One has to find their own reasons and validation within themselves, cause here you will find very little, if any at all. I wish you well. Good luck, Guardian!
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1 返信Well written. Unfortunately most of the population won't understand the struggle. They are pretty much the same people who would tell an introvert to "Get out of their comfort zone and stop being quiet!" Like its some magical button we can press.
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5 通の返信I had heard about the [i]legendary[/i] "D2 toxic community" and going through this thread and a few others I can say that the D2 community is very toxic. Some of you make Cod boys look like English gentlemen. Making fun of someones disability. "gid gud" "LFG" Skill issue". I was one of you. Then something happen. You know what that was. I GREW UP. And from what I see in some of these reply none of you grew up. Go ahead. Roast me all you want. I don't care. Your opinion of me or what I type doesn't bother me. But one day you'll look back and see the type of aholes you all are. And more then likely will still be.
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18 通の返信The amount of children in adult bodies on this topic is absurd. I had a stroke 3 years ago lost vision in one eye and have partial paralysis in one hand. Was told today to stop dying in that horribly designed mission and learn to jump properly......... after being talked to like I'm garbage the entire time I finished it, and deleted the game from console. -blam!- this player base -blam!- this company and -blam!- the -blam!- who think they matter in life over a video game. Karma is very real, life hits back to those who deserve a smack, and to you key board warriors, and worshippers of streamers who wrecked this once fun game go to hell
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1 返信Here be wisdom: if you’ve nothing nice to say, say nothing. 👈 OP et al: courageous for opening up about your individual situations…it’s all very relatable IRL for those with family and friends going through such challenges. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. 🤕 Manchildren / trolls: grow up. 🧐 Some other great games to consider: Quake 4 - there’s no one but the player…start on Easy mode, then try the other more challenging modes. It’s a lot of fun! But only Quake 4 ✅ Warframe (WF) - steep learning curve…play the way you want to play, eg, Free to Play - for grinders…or what I call the ‘Fast Pass’ option - for ‘whales’…or somewhere in between. Tenno (character) with sword (think Destiny opening mission re Khostov weapon) is the best starting option, imho. (MR 24 😎) On the current issue being hotly discussed in the Forum at large: I played through the campaign on normal mode, as usual, on my void lower tree Hunter - as usual, and for this old tortoise it was mighty confusing - the way the quests are structured; and seemed unnecessary overwhelming with hyper-aggressive and overtuned enemies that were attacking me nonstop from every quarter. 🧐 It got old…real quick. Also, the plethora of (what i term as) ‘Endgame Mechanics’ - was not fun. ❌ If there was a ‘puzzle solver’ to click, that would have helped. There’s a reason why I don’t do raids / dungeons / GMs…and ‘timers’ and jumping through countless ‘hoops’ are top of the page. I had to LFG that final boss part…otherwise, was solo all the way. All good! The final 12-man (no mics) mission was worth the grind up the mountain, imho. No spoilers…bring a hankie, though! 🙂 The ‘Pale Heart’ open world is a solo, ‘Patrol Lord’s’ delight…well, it was for a while…until it became tedious, tiresome and boring. The grind required to get stuff done for desirable loot is simply ridiculous…eg, Alone in the Dark quest - doing it once was enough…but repeating it multiple times to unlock another quest line - for the ship or something else, is not for this old tortoise! 😐 I love pootling about the amazing environments, collecting things, and doing the regional chests, etc., but…being constantly harassed from withering enemy fire with no let-up is a drag! ❌ So, I was slowly coming to the conclusion that this new style of Destiny is not for this old tortoise… I switched to my trusty old Titan…and thought I’d give Legend campaign a go…erm…nope! Too much…way too much. There was zero fun…and absolutely nothing that entertained - me. So, I switched to Normal mode and got past the veil, to start the campaign afresh…which I will do at a leisurely pace, as usual…and play the way I like to play! ✅ The furore re the new Exotic class item: well, what a step backwards that was for BHQ - after all the positive points gained with the 12-man finale mission!? The mind boggles - again!? 😵💫 How much goodwill has evaporated with that one ridiculous decision? Well done, Bungle! ❌❌❌ SMH 🙄 Where do I go from here? Well, I’ll pootle about for a while, as usual, then, as I’ve already ‘closed’ the Destiny original story down with that epic finale 12-man mission, I’ll quietly put this game to bed… The silken cord that binds has been well and truly severed. 😐 TLDR: 🥱 Just my 2d worth. YMMV Play fair! Play nice! Don’t be mean! 👈 Chins up, my fellow Guardians! 👍 Ease springs! 🫡
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Its funny how many times do you see Bungie say about all these great causes they support. Mental Health is a real thing and they make it worse by not having a fireteam finder for a lot of activities. Yes we can use lfg but there is a lot of toxic players on there. And now new class item is only in duos. We'll done on making this game more divided.
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1 返信Dominator of Oatsにより編集済み: 6/13/2024 4:06:35 AMThe decision to lock the class item behind a cool and awesome mission, but one that not everyone that spent $50 will do, smacks of ignorant decision making. Smells like leadership got involved in a place they don’t belong. They are going to regret this and make some embarrased post about how they noticed not as many players engaged with this as they had hoped, no matter how good the activity itself is, and change their decision and allow it to drop in the pale heart as a random drop. The mission is great, and we need more content like this. But do not potentially block a reward for every guardian who was excited to play with prismatic to get the full experience of the sandbox at play. I will never understand why Bungie keeps making silly problems for themselves.
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1 返信I strongly sympathise with your situation, I hope your condition is improved in time I can imagine how horrific it is that pain can be. In that situation I don’t think I’d persist with Destiny honestly, maybe aside from with friends that won’t set off those triggers. I didn’t need to look to know what some comments here would be like, try not to let them get to you these people are morons.
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2 通の返信Hey there, I hear you. I have social anxiety disorder, am Autistic and have ADHD. Ignore the trolls abs haters, because they simply aren’t worth your time. Enjoy the game, play it your way, achieve what you want to achieve. Good luck.
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3 通の返信Zodliivにより編集済み: 12/11/2024 2:59:46 AM
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2 通の返信I agree. (I don't face what you're having to go through and I hope this changes so you can also enjoy a game you love and not only a select group) I personally enjoy hard content, but I don't want every part of the game be this way. Again, it's a game, it should feel like one. The activity should be fun and rewarding instead of feeling like banging your head against the wall, or even worse, needing one other person to unlock a mission. I love the Final Shape but some of these activities/changes are just head scratchers. Pathfinder needs some refinement, I'm sure everyone can agree there, I could turn a blind eye and say it's great but if I really think on it, I agree that forcing activites we don't like is not the way. Maybe a Crucible Pathfinder, Vanguard Pathfinder... etc. Something we, as players choose. Pantheon was fun with all the new changes and trying to reach a high score and platinum, it was hard and also very rewarding. Something like exotic class items that is new and feels like a "must-have" shouldn't be behind such an activity that alienates a section of the community. Will I unlock it? Yes I have the friends, time, patience. What about for those who don't? There's the problem Do I like the idea of this activity? No, it feels like a chore Solution could be a multiple avenues to unlock or even just removing the timer off of missions when there's so many other stressors. Bungie is an inclusive company and they pride themselves in it, but some of these decisions divide the player base. Like the -5 and surges, if someone wants to do a harder difficulty they would choose it, why force it? To enlarge the amount of time people spend in-game? Sooner or later they'll be their own downfall like we saw during Lightfall. Forcing players will eventually get you less players. If players are having fun, you'll get more players. Credit where Bungie is doing great but they need to balance difficulty and fun with more stress free options.
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6 通の返信Couldn’t agree more and the fact that so many people don’t really understand that is kinda crazy.
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1 返信Well said man don't feel too bad most of the trolls here are just children don't let them get to you it's all they have in life. There are people out here that truly get it and stand with you and all others with issues I have my own as well just the same as 80% of people now a days
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2 通の返信Same. I deal with this a lot. And tbh.now it's changed my final shape rating already. It was a 10/10 including the start of the episode. But there's a couple of things that's already knocked my rating down to a 8.5/10
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3 通の返信Dukeにより編集済み: 6/14/2024 5:19:12 AMWhile a sympathize with you, if they made it soloable, everyone would just do that and it would defeat the purpose of the mission. It’s literally called “Dual.” Idk how much more on the Jose they can be there. Not making fun of you or your anxiety. I get plenty myself, although it’s never extended to games for me. But just like raids and dungeons (where you don’t have to completely start over if you die once, unless you’re doing flawless) there is going to be content with desirable loot that solo players won’t really be able to get. Destiny ha always been this way since the VoG on D1. Good luck. Hope you find help with the mission you’re comfortable with. Edit: spelling
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I empathize with you all completely. Albeit for different reasons, I also can’t use comms/lfg due to my voice and vocal issues. Last time I was able to speak through a mic was around 2011. I quit Destiny back during Forsaken because of how solo-friendly the game was NOT. Back then the only real way to even level up to max was Raids. Came back during Lightfall, and fully accepted that I just won’t be able to get Raid gear. Enjoyed the game regardless. However, TFS seems to be Bungie going back to its old days and spitting in the face of the around 75-80% of people (based on Raid report’s stats) that haven’t completed a single Raid or any other activity unable to be solo’d. As stated, I’m fine with not getting Raid gear, but now I can’t level up Guardian Rank because Rank 6 requires Cooperation Focus activities, I can’t get the main selling point of the new Subclass, AND solo dungeons are now hellish for EVERYONE because of us now being -5 light level in them. Which makes dungeons like Ghosts of the Deep, one that many people hated because of inflated HP pools, have EVEN MORE HP. Bungie somehow managed to do everything that a majority of people said they didn’t want. I know it’s not the answer you or I want, but the only answer seems to be to jump off this sinking ship. It’s clear Bungie is inept or stupid, or both, and have decided to focus TFS around the toxic 16-19% of people who live on LFG, then will go to Sony crying, “We don’t know why our game keeps losing a chunk of the playerbase within a few months of our expansions…!” Just like Lightfall. It’s not gonna change. Bungie has chosen to side with the toxic minority, probably because Bungie themselves are also in that group. I genuinely wish all the solo players, be it for anxiety, or other issues, the absolute best. Destiny isn’t for us, and it’d probably be best to just leave and let Bungie and the toxic little kids run the game into the gutter.
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11 通の返信I see you, I hear you, I witness. Bungie DID have someone who specialised in disability/neurospicy/chronic illness issues to make the game easier to do...buuuut they fired her. Told me what I needed to know. Have the same problem, even have had people offer to help me through content, but then they insist on using a mic, insist on trying to 'help' me change my build - c'mon, I'm disabled and play with three fingers, there's a reason I run what I run, can't y'all just leave me be and let me play? Yes, I am a woman, but I'm old enough to be your gran, stop hitting on me....sigh, ok, you know what, nevermind, I'll just play solo. I've stopped trying to do anything that involves grouping. And I have stopped giving a damn. People are ableist and that won't change. I'll get what I can out of the game and be happy with it, but I'm done expecting people can be decent, I've been gaming too long and nothing has changed.
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