[quote]Placing the blame for bad decisions on anyone but Bungie is hilarious. If you disagree with direction, balance decisions, story, lack of support for specific content, etc., blame Bungie, not content creators. I'm sure Bungie is ecstatic to have their poor decisions incorrectly passed off as StReAmErS dId It. Also, I played this game when they prioritized the casual player. It was a much worse experience than it is right now. But hey anytime content like Pantheon or Legend Zero Hour, geared towards better players, is pushed out, there will be plenty of Jim's crawling out to whine about accessibility and streamers running everything lol. Highly predictable lmao.[/quote] Don't underestimate my ability to blame both the player and the game. Bungie listens to those people. Those people know Bungie listens to them. If they started asking for fun stuff and saying "hey maybe lighten up and make this a little more fun" then yeah, I couldn't blame the influencers. But the influencers are the ones asking for the changes and Bungie is the one making them. It takes two to be stupid in this context.

There is no tangible proof Bungie caters to them more than any other group. There just isn't. For every Well and Div nerf, there's things like shoving SBMM into half the modes, or Prismatic, which is just going to break everything. I'm not saying they don't take feedback from Streamers, but there's literally nothing anyone can actually point to as proof that their feedback is used more often than others when looking at the totality of changes. Not to mention half the garbage people blame streamers for asking for is from literal years ago and is only just now happening, so under your logic, they ignored them for like 2+ years and then in 2024 were like "man, that guy really had a point" lol. It's just funny is all. I get people need a boogeyman. Just wish they'd pick the right one.

[quote]There is no tangible proof Bungie caters to them more than any other group. There just isn't. For every Well and Div nerf, there's things like shoving SBMM into half the modes, or Prismatic, which is just going to break everything. I'm not saying they don't take feedback from Streamers, but there's literally nothing anyone can actually point to as proof that their feedback is used more often than others when looking at the totality of changes. Not to mention half the garbage people blame streamers for asking for is from literal years ago and is only just now happening, so under your logic, they ignored them for like 2+ years and then in 2024 were like "man, that guy really had a point" lol. It's just funny is all. I get people need a boogeyman. Just wish they'd pick the right one.[/quote] Lmao just because you don't pay attention to what's going on doesn't mean that I'm wrong. Go read what these idiots tweet and say I'm their videos all the time. They literally beg Bungie for these nerfs and then Bungie does it

Yeah I figured this is the level of response to come lmao. No actual refutation of the valid points brought up. No providing examples. Just "you're not paying attention." 😂 Not surprising, I guess. Take it easy.

[quote]Yeah I figured this is the level of response to come lmao. No actual refutation of the valid points brought up. No providing examples. Just "you're not paying attention." 😂 Not surprising, I guess. Take it easy.[/quote] You walked in here with no knowledge of the game's community and expected me to what, lecture you about it for 2 hours? Dude, saltagreppo literally asked Bungie to nerf Lament the day after day 1 Crota. Like, you not knowing that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pay attention or leave the conversation. I'm not gonna catch you up to speed because you're 8 years late to a party you haven't shown up to all this time. Bungie has held multiple streamer gatherings specifically to get ideas for how to make the game.

No I walked in here with valid points you've yet to refute and instead you just say I haven't been paying attention and have no knowledge of the community, ironically more claims you can't support lmao. Yes, Salt asked for a Lament nerf after day 1 Crota. That was September of last year lmao. They're just now nerfing Lament, in May of 2024. Nevermind that this also fits the exact point I was making about him asking for nerfs and then them nerfing that thing MONTHS later, but sure, I'm the one not paying attention and knowing nothing lol. Ignoring what I say and claiming I don't know things or haven't been paying attention isn't helping your point or hurting mine lol but by all means continue. Streamer victims are all the same and it's so, so sad.

[quote]No I walked in here with valid points you've yet to refute and instead you just say I haven't been paying attention and have no knowledge of the community, ironically more claims you can't support lmao. Yes, Salt asked for a Lament nerf after day 1 Crota. That was September of last year lmao. They're just now nerfing Lament, in May of 2024. Nevermind that this also fits the exact point I was making about him asking for nerfs and then them nerfing that thing MONTHS later, but sure, I'm the one not paying attention and knowing nothing lol. Ignoring what I say and claiming I don't know things or haven't been paying attention isn't helping your point or hurting mine lol but by all means continue. Streamer victims are all the same and it's so, so sad.[/quote] No, you walked into here asking for proof of something that everybody else knows about except for you, apparently. That's not a valid point. That's being behind the curve. And the nerf to lament would've come 4 months sooner if the DLC wasn't pushed back til June and launched in February like it was supposed to. Bungie being slow at development doesn't excuse the fact that they're nerfing an exotic hardly anyone uses because a day 1 streamers crutched it once and deemed it broken.

Sweetheart, if everyone knows about it, it should be the easiest thing in the world to point to and prove lol. Like it should not be this difficult for you to substantiate your claims if it's SO APPARENT. And yet.

[quote]Sweetheart, if everyone knows about it, it should be the easiest thing in the world to point to and prove lol. Like it should not be this difficult for you to substantiate your claims if it's SO APPARENT. And yet.[/quote] It's like someone walking into a house that's on fire, and asking the other occupant to prove it's on fire. Like, it's on fire, everybody within a mile radius can see the smoke cloud billowing into the sky. And you knew about the lament nerf being saltagreppo's doing, soooooooo you already know. You're either just trolling or playing ignorant. Either way, you're officially wasting my time. Get your last little condescending insult in and go away. Nobody cares.

I would give up arguing dude. Some people are so blinkered and shortsighted on here, if Bungie openly admitted stuff in a TWID, they still would refuse to believe it. Even if it is common knowledge.