I've played titan only a couple hours, saw a movement exotic for the boots slot, used both arc movement options that work in air and the void movement option that's in air. The last time a titan exotic was good in pvp its all that was good in pvp, would rather not do that again

So one titan exotic was good one time, so now titan can’t have any useful exotics. Hunter brain, what can I say. So, stompees were ridiculously broken for years, so according to your logic, now bungie needs to nerf these following exotics: Wormhusk Knucklehead Stompees Bakris Sixth Coyote Because if just one exotic is decent on any class then no exotics can be good, right? It’s people like you that just fuel the downfall of this game. I’m not asking for nerfs to the hunter exotics I mentioned, because that would only make this game worse. I’m just asking for buffs to titan exotics, almost all of which are horrible. And also, please elaborate on the “arc movement options” and “void movement option” and the “movement exotic” for Titans. Because last time I checked, there is no official movement exotic for Titans, which is why I requested one.

One eyed mask and lorely (to name 2) are far beyond a hunter jumping slightly higher, maybe try looking up in a game with jumping? Wormhusk could use a nerf but it's also a hunter exotic that does the inferior version of titan arc healing from punch and void titan getting oversheilds for doing normal stuff, the rest of those exotics are a skill issue and far from being meta defining, even in their prime. Complain about the og shards of galanor or og radian dance machines (with stasis) If you want exotic metas that should never come back Arc titan has both an insta kill Ariel slam that can be use for emergencies much like hunter and warlock dive with a good cool down and the second arc is the strafe that replaces barricade, you can chain this with sword for extra movement tech and zoom through areas or disengage in a superior way to icarus and hunter dodge. Void has the directional shield bash with questionable tracking that makes covering a gap really good. Now that I think of it, strand titan is also quite good with its melee pulling you a stupid long distance. Lions rampants give you better jumps and let's you shoot during those jumps, the equivalent being transversive steps because stompies is now a conditional exotic you need to build into unlike the titan and warlock movement exotics. Am I a hunter main? Yes, I like my fan knives so I can make more orbs than many get kills, fun stuff. But I'm not unaware of the advantages titans ans warlocks have

[quote]One eyed mask and lorely (to name 2) are far beyond a hunter jumping slightly higher, maybe try looking up in a game with jumping? [/quote] One eyed mask? Are you kidding? One eyed mask is trash. How many people do you see using one eyed? It’s absolutely gutted. And lorelys? Solar Titan is awful, with the terrible aspects, melees, and supers. Lorelys is absolutely gutted too, solar titan is unplayable, lorelys just puts it at a level where sunspots aren’t completely useless. Even then, who is using lorelys in trials? [quote]Wormhusk could use a nerf but it's also a hunter exotic that does the inferior version of titan arc healing from punch and void titan getting oversheilds for doing normal stuff, the rest of those exotics are a skill issue and far from being meta defining, even in their prime.[/quote] Lmao, how is wormhusk inferior to any healing in the game, period. It’s instant, and is better than overshields considering its not relative to time and gives instant health + shields. All of you hunters think bastion is so broken, but it massively increases barricade cooldown. Gernader Jake doesn’t even use bastion on void titan. And you say “oh well those exotics arent meta defining even in their prime” well neither was one eyed or lorelys or tbh, even dunes.[/quote] [quote]Arc titan has both an insta kill Ariel slam that can be use for emergencies much like hunter and warlock dive with a good cool down[/quote] Bahahahaha Bro just said ballistic slam is soooo good. 1. It doesnt one hit, so get your facts straight. 2. It’s inconsistent 3. It has an awful cast animation, much like warlock dive except warlock dive gives instant health and doesnt require running, then jumping super high, just to execute an awful slam attack. 4. Why do you think literary [b]no one[/b] uses it? [quote]the second arc is the strafe that replaces barricade, you can chain this with sword for extra movement tech and zoom through areas or disengage in a superior way to icarus and hunter dodge.[/quote] Lol, this ability was gutted for cooldown, and Icarus dash 1000000000% tops this. Icarus has a 4 second cooldown, and doesn’t take an ability slot. Plus, Icarus doesn’t require A FREAKING SWORD to do anything. You literally jump, glide, Icarus. You know what Icarus can do with a sword? Well skate. Tell me, is your precious thruster boost better than that? [quote]Void has the directional shield bash with questionable tracking that makes covering a gap really good. Now that I think of it, strand titan is also quite good with its melee pulling you a stupid long distance.[/quote] Void shield bash is good, but there are more useful movement tools that aren’t even on a cooldown. (i.e. shatterdive, icarus) And in what world is strand titan melee good bro? 😂😂😂 Strand titan may be the worst strand subclass. [quote]Lions rampants give you better jumps and let's you shoot during those jumps, the equivalent being transversive steps because stompies is now a conditional exotic you need to build into unlike the titan and warlock movement exotics.[/quote] Lmao, yeah Lion Rampant totally S-Tier movement exotic. At best, the only usage it finds is in PvE for crossing gaps. You have to HIP FIRE. That is absolutely horrible. T-Steps beat this exotic 100 times over. And are you actually saying you need to build in to stompees? Stompees next season is literally better than it was pre nerf. Stompees is still the most used hunter exotic. Your statements all make zero sense. [quote]Am I a hunter main? Yes[/quote] Oh I’m shocked. [quote]I like my fan knives so I can make more orbs than many get kills, fun stuff. But I'm not unaware of the advantages titans ans warlocks have[/quote] Well if you were aware, then you would know that titans and warlocks need a buff. The only advantage that titans and warlocks have, is they’re bigger targets for you to hide behind.

Okay, let's break this down I'm guessing you didn't play during the time of one eyed masks rain in the crucible and you do realize lorely isn't a hunter exotic right? Additionally i brought these up as past meta definers that shouldnt happen as the point of ky origonal message, please read. Now lorely, since you dont know, it's a titan exotic where in its prime made you near unkillable in the crucible. Maybe you should spend less time here and more time playing the game if you lack exotics that badly. It also broke encounter in raide because bosses couldn't damage you fast enough like golgoroths gaze barely chipping your health while you emote Titans getting instant health back on a 1 hit pvp melee that can chain damage with the right aspects is far better than a dodge that can be shot through easily that gives you some health back and rn, oversheilds are better than temp health because it's an extra bar onto of the norm, not just getting some health back for dodging or standing in a rift. Bastion is quite good, you already build into resilience so uptime isn't an issue and making enemies volitile and giving you an oversheild is very worth the tradeoff with the tracking of said shield (not hunter bounce knife good for tracking but that doesn't provide healing, just scorch) You really should look back at lorely and one eyed mask metas, they weren't as bad as gun metas like lord of wolves or the corner camping mess that was felwinters but still absolutely terrible for the game. Ballistic slam does 1 hit in crucible, I've been 1 shot aoe by it many times with t7 and direct hit killed at t10 resilience, just gotta use it and nail down the movement, much like warlock dive (most useless of the 3 tbf) and hunter shatter/invis dive I don't have the full aspects on my arc titan but was still getting more uptime with the directional dash than I was dodge on my hunter. It pushes you out of the way faster and unlike warlock dash, actively accelerates your movement instead of simply keeping that momentum which makes it the better emergency option of the 3. Icarus from a standstill with warlock is much slower and annoying, even without the sword (i used that as a tech example for the speed) I would still take that over hunter and warlock. But I would take shield bash over these 3 Strand titan super is the highest damage dealing class in the game, their melee working with 1 2 punch melts enemies faster than most supers when paird with banner and woven mail which is very consistent with good uptime. Being able to fire from the hip works very well with bow, shotgun, fusion rifle, handcanons and surprisingly sidearm do really well on lions. Transversive does have the auto reload but if your on solar to get in air gunplay, you already have better options than the exotic for reloading your weapon, it also doesn't proc in float which is unfortunate. I have yet to see the stompees buff for next season but currently, yes the do need to be built into. They don't provide the increased movement without a dodge charge, making them very redundant, you either don't use the class ability or you build into the exotic by pumping mobility, an otherwise trash stat to get better uptime with the exotic. Again if the changes remove that requirement for a fully charged ability I will redact that. It is highly used, and yet I call it trash, use doesn't equal best. Ahamkaras is far better in pvp even post nerf and yeah, sixth is just better now because it leans into the dodge instead of requiring you dont use the class ability. I would honestly call it the hunter noob exotic that people slap on because they can be bothered to build craft. Very easy to counter like any jump exotic because jumping locks you into predictable paths. Yup, played most the game on hunter, alot on warlock and some titan, friends all main titan and I try to keep up to date, also remembering past metas and imbalances Titans and warlocks need a buff, and yet hunter doesn't have a well or bubble like super that allows for low iq content clears, especially well and well, we all lnow what trials is nowadays. Hunter has some good utility with some solid dps, but building into warlocks and Titans to their highest extents currently surpass what hunters can offer except void hunter for pve and stasis hunter for pvp. But with supers being less important in damage phase, the hunter dps hinders actual dps in endgame content where unless you are debuffing with tether instead of tractor, might as well run something better. In terms of best class per element Solar - warlock hands down, titan hammer slam still isn't as good and while base healing is better, the damage resist of well and healing tops it. Same with hunter, golden gun is fine but not amazing in the endgame content Strand - titan (was warlock a minute ago with near invicability weave in crucible and pvp) Void - titan with bubble and close second being hunter just for tether Arc - by far titan with cursairs still being the go to for quick 1 phase damage on bosses like attaks 1 and they benefit the most from amplified Stasis - I would give this one to warlock, all stasis supers are trash and warlocks have the best ability game with freezing turrets during gms For gms I do actually like hiding behind my buddies sentinel shield so I can get extra damage off but usually I'm just invis to skip fighting enemies in encounters and in lower content like dungeons I just use solar for the small healing and orbs, but I know my place behind warlocks and titans

[quote]you do realize lorely isn't a hunter exotic right?[/quote] Mb meant to say titan. Allow me to break this down for you. [quote]Now lorely, since you dont know, it's a titan exotic where in its prime made you near unkillable in the crucible. Maybe you should spend less time here and more time playing the game if you lack exotics that badly. It also broke encounter in raide because bosses couldn't damage you fast enough like golgoroths gaze barely chipping your health while you emote[/quote] I do know the lorely meta idiot. Post solar 3.0 it was very good… for a few weeks and then it was slaughtered. Maybe you should spend more time using exotics that were destroyed before claiming that they “were good so they don’t need a buff” [quote]Titans getting instant health back on a 1 hit pvp melee that can chain damage with the right aspects is far better than a dodge that can be shot through easily that gives you some health back and rn, oversheilds are better than temp health because it's an extra bar onto of the norm, not just getting some health back for dodging or standing in a rift.[/quote] This was honestly just an incoherent ramble, all I made out was that you think knockout is broken. I’ll admit, it is strong, but it only makes up for the fact that titan has been gutted. [quote]Bastion is quite good, you already build into resilience so uptime isn't an issue and making enemies volitile and giving you an oversheild is very worth the tradeoff with the tracking of said shield (not hunter bounce knife good for tracking but that doesn't provide healing, just scorch)[/quote] Uptime is a problem. The barricade takes like 2 or 3 times as long to come back. And volatile isn’t good at all. It’s only good for an aggressive play style, which void titan doesn’t promote. And there is no way you just defended frisbee melee. Yeah weighted throwing knife one hit kills and has insane tracking, and with ONE fragment, refunds itself and gives a damage buff. [quote]You really should look back at lorely and one eyed mask metas, they weren't as bad as gun metas like lord of wolves or the corner camping mess that was felwinters but still absolutely terrible for the game.[/quote] You should really look back at stompees and wormhusk metas. They lasted for years, and stompees is about to be buffed back to its former op state, potentially even better with the dr. [quote]Ballistic slam does 1 hit in crucible, I've been 1 shot aoe by it many times with t7 and direct hit killed at t10 resilience, just gotta use it and nail down the movement, much like warlock dive (most useless of the 3 tbf) and hunter shatter/invis dive[/quote] I’ll say it again, it doesn’t one shot. It only one shots if you proc dunes with it. And even then, it is horrible, and is far worse than warlock and hunter dive. What would you rather have: Invis for you and others around you just by being in the air, or a melee that you have to sprint for a while, jump super high, and then cast a super long animation time for, just to try and land an inconsistent aoe attack that doesn’t one hit? [quote]I don't have the full aspects on my arc titan but was still getting more uptime with the directional dash than I was dodge on my hunter. It pushes you out of the way faster and unlike warlock dash, actively accelerates your movement instead of simply keeping that momentum which makes it the better emergency option of the 3. Icarus from a standstill with warlock is much slower and annoying, even without the sword (i used that as a tech example for the speed) I would still take that over hunter and warlock. But I would take shield bash over these 3[/quote] Sure, the dash on titan may recharge faster, but it doesn’t reload your weapons/fully recharge your melee. And once again, Icarus allows you to skate, something that thruster requires a sword for and is difficult to pull off, and even then Icarus with a sword gives the fastest movement mechanic in the entire game. Icarus doesn’t take an ability slot, and recharges in 4 seconds. [quote]Strand titan super is the highest damage dealing class in the game, their melee working with 1 2 punch melts enemies faster than most supers when paird with banner and woven mail which is very consistent with good uptime.[/quote] This is a PvP conversation, and regardless, strand titan is only useful in GMs, Solar Warlock is and always has been the Raid subclass, which is a far more popular activity. Solar Warlock absolutely DOMINATES raids, whereas Strand Titan doesn’t absolutely dominate GMs. [quote]Being able to fire from the hip works very well with bow, shotgun, fusion rifle, handcanons and surprisingly sidearm do really well on lions. Transversive does have the auto reload but if your on solar to get in air gunplay, you already have better options than the exotic for reloading your weapon, it also doesn't proc in float which is unfortunate.[/quote] Idk about you, but I’ve never in a million years ran into a very good Bow/Hand Cannon/Shotgun/Fusion Rifle/Sidearm Lion Rampant user. Ever. How many people have you heard saying “Oh my god bro, have you hipfired fusion rifles on Lion Rampant recently? It’s soooo good.” Lion Rampant is absolutely horrible. [quote]I have yet to see the stompees buff for next season but currently, yes the do need to be built into. They don't provide the increased movement without a dodge charge, making them very redundant, you either don't use the class ability or you build into the exotic by pumping mobility, an otherwise trash stat to get better uptime with the exotic. Again if the changes remove that requirement for a fully charged ability I will redact that.[/quote] The buff is scheduled for next season, and regardless, Stompees is still the most used Hunter exotic. Stats don’t lie. If they’re as redundant as you say they are and they’re STILL being used super frequently, then what does that tell you the buff is going to do? [quote]It is highly used, and yet I call it trash, use doesn't equal best.[/quote] Maybe not, but look at it pre nerf. It was broken. Now it’s going back into that state and titan doesn’t have enough good exotics to compete. [quote]Titans and warlocks need a buff[/quote] Most reasonable thing you’ve said all day. [quote]yet hunter doesn't have a well or bubble like super that allows for low iq content clears, especially well and well, we all lnow what trials is nowadays.[/quote] Yeah… Strand Hunter decoy spam/Void Hunted invis spam. Were we talking about the same thing? [quote]Hunter has some good utility with some solid dps, but building into warlocks and Titans to their highest extents currently surpass what hunters can offer except void hunter for pve and stasis hunter for pvp. But with supers being less important in damage phase, the hunter dps hinders actual dps in endgame content where unless you are debuffing with tether instead of tractor, might as well run something better.[/quote] I do agree with this, but bungie has been addressing this. Shards of Galanor is getting a buff, and Gathering Storm recently got a big buff. I know an arc hunter that I ran RoN with, and he hit 4 mil on nezzy with Gathering Storm and Star Eaters. It’s not difficult to build into dps, and for the most part, Titan doesn’t have crazy one off burst damage supers except for T-Crash. [quote]In terms of best class per element Solar - warlock hands down, titan hammer slam still isn't as good and while base healing is better, the damage resist of well and healing tops it. Same with hunter, golden gun is fine but not amazing in the endgame content Strand - titan (was warlock a minute ago with near invicability weave in crucible and pvp) Void - titan with bubble and close second being hunter just for tether Arc - by far titan with cursairs still being the go to for quick 1 phase damage on bosses like attaks 1 and they benefit the most from amplified Stasis - I would give this one to warlock, all stasis supers are trash and warlocks have the best ability game with freezing turrets during gms[/quote] I agree with most of this, except I think that Void goes to hunter. Hunter all around has a better kit, with Invis being much better across different play styles. I’m not just some Titan pig who thinks other stuff doesn’t need buffs. I think that Solar and Arc hunter do need overhauls, with Arc being the main priority. I think Arc, Void, and Strand Warlock need some major reworks in PvP, with Void Warlock being the main concern. But Titan is not as good as people make it out to be. Stasis Titan is 100% hands down the WORST subclass in the whole entire game, maybe the worst subclass to have ever existed, and it has been since post stasis nerf. So we’re going on 3 years now? Strand Titan in PvP is terrible, almost unplayable without Abeyant, and this comes from experience. Solar Titan with out Lorelys may be worse than Strand Titan. Subclasses shouldn’t be defined by exotics. But when there’s people like SayWallahBruh still stating in their recent videos stuff like “I guess I can’t use *insert item here* because the meta has shifted towards Titans and Barricades” despite Barricades and Titan in general being gutted, it’s not right. I played Titan during some of the darkest moments of the meta (i.e. Stompees meta/Omni + Lord of Wolves meta), and I didn’t hear anyone calling for buffs, just more nerfs to Titan despite it being the worst class (at that moment). Sorry for the rant, it’s really long.

All good, we are both passionate about our playstyles and experiences, I think that some metas were far worse than ones you might think we're worse but we agreed on some stuff, ballistic slam could just be in the right spot but I have a bad experience with it and maybe stompees pre damage resist is more of a trend than it is a top teir exotic, been good discussing this with ya. I really think that while Titans are very good and a buff can be dangerous, there is room to grow, other than cursairs for pve, arc titan is sorely lacking and behemoth is just absolutely terrible unless your trolling in trials, warlocks need to stop relying on well so much and explore more of their kit with a damage boost to chaos and nova. Lastly hunters other than void for the invis and arc for the lingering damage super need to be less of a diet version of other classes, some that is coming in the form of buffs to celestial and shards for pve and their recent ahamkara pvp nerf was justified, no reason for tic damage just like warlock grenades being nerfed to give you another grenade

You must be really bad if you think that titan needs anything more in its kit. If already has too much movement for what it is.

You must be really bad if you can’t compete with the class that has the worst exotics, worst subclasses, and worst class ability in the entire game.

I have played titan all season because it’s broken. Barricades? Worst ability? You’re a moron Bubble? Worst subclass? Bro what are you smoking the forms need some?

Clearly you’re the moron. 1. Barricade health was almost halved, the cooldown was majorly increased. 2. Rift grants constant healing + overshield, can save you from most weapons for free (140 Hand cannons, scouts, pulses). 3. Dodge instantly breaks you out of an engagement, and either gives you all of your melee energy or insta reloads your weapons for a shorter cooldown. 4. Barricade is a weak little wall that takes forever to put up and at best can be used to look for enemy position/ block off a lane for 2 seconds before its destroyed. Think before you speak.

[quote]Clearly you’re the moron. 1. Barricade health was almost halved, the cooldown was majorly increased. 2. Rift grants constant healing + overshield, can save you from most weapons for free (140 Hand cannons, scouts, pulses). 3. Dodge instantly breaks you out of an engagement, and either gives you all of your melee energy or insta reloads your weapons for a shorter cooldown. 4. Barricade is a weak little wall that takes forever to put up and at best can be used to look for enemy position/ block off a lane for 2 seconds before its destroyed. Think before you speak.[/quote] Dodge is a panic, button-smashing, spam ability, whereas barricade requires strategic placement and thoughtful use to be effective because of the extra long cool down and slow animation. Anyone who thinks barricade is in any way better than an easy-mode dodge ability in PvP is living in Hunterland and not in reality.

[quote]Dodge is a panic, button-smashing, spam ability, whereas barricade requires strategic placement and thoughtful use to be effective because of the extra long cool down and slow animation. Anyone who thinks barricade is in any way better than an easy-mode dodge ability in PvP is living in Hunterland and not in reality.[/quote] I’m confused… are you saying I’m living in Hunterland? Because I’m a Titan main, and I despise anyone that says Hunter dodge isn’t the best class ability. Barricade is by far the worst class ability, and requires better positioning than a rift, despite giving lesser effects. In addition to that, Hunters EASILY have the best exotic armor arsenal, bar none.

[quote][quote]Dodge is a panic, button-smashing, spam ability, whereas barricade requires strategic placement and thoughtful use to be effective because of the extra long cool down and slow animation. Anyone who thinks barricade is in any way better than an easy-mode dodge ability in PvP is living in Hunterland and not in reality.[/quote] I’m confused… are you saying I’m living in Hunterland? Because I’m a Titan main, and I despise anyone that says Hunter dodge isn’t the best class ability. Barricade is by far the worst class ability, and requires better positioning than a rift, despite giving lesser effects. In addition to that, Hunters EASILY have the best exotic armor arsenal, bar none.[/quote] We are on the same side of this debate.

I have a .9 named Stinkych33ze telling me to think before I speak when he’s objectively wrong about the sandbox. You’re so delusional I HAVE BEEN PLAYING TITAN

Doesn’t matter what you’re stats are. The neckbeard sweatlords like you are the reason PvP is the way it is. Bungie catered to you, and now PvP is absolutely atrocious, and the game is approaching CoO player retention levels. You clearly have brought the game to the state it’s in, now hand it over to players that actually want to balance stuff.

This game is incredibly casual catered. If they listened to “sweats”, fusions, SMGS, snipers, and AE would all be taken care of. How does it feel to suck at your own class when it’s the best class in the game?

[quote]This game is incredibly casual catered. If they listened to “sweats”, fusions, SMGS, snipers, and AE would all be taken care of.[/quote] No it wouldn’t, because that’s exactly what sweats use. [quote]How does it feel to suck at your own class when it’s the best class in the game?[/quote] How does it feel to make based assumptions and have no life?

I have a great life, and sweats like handcannons. And yeah, my assumptions are very based I agree

I’m glad we can agree on something.

I don’t think you know what based means