You’re trying to find a rational explanation to an emotional argument. They’re just MAD because they got outvoted and the game went in a direction they personally don’t like. But instead of moving on to a game that they do like, they act like a jealous ex who just keep showing up. Trying to get even for being dumped…..

Destiny seems to be in a perfectly fine spot in terms of the game itself. The pvp appears to have something for everyone, for the most part. Things will continue to be rearranged and refined but it has come a long way. There's good things about the destiny community but what I'm trying to figure out is whether and how they originate from the same place as taking offense to having a whole other entire pvp game made for you. Is it offensive that they expected people to be able to understand that it would likely be quite wasteful to attempt to make a giant pvp almost equal to the size of pve in this game? Really don't see what the fuss is about tbh.

Again. You are trying to make rational, principled sense out of what are emotional and self-interested arguments. All you’re going to do is give yourself a really bad headache. I agree with your assessment of the game. [b]For what Bungie set out to accomplish,[/b] there is nothing wrong that can’t be fixed by better loot and a retuning of the game back towards what it was like last year. Bungie was so focused on making it “challenging” for the elites that they kneecapped the power-fantasy for everyone else. But this collective tantrum is nothing more than people raging over Bungie refusing to make Destiny 2 the game they personally want. Instead of leaving, they feel that Bungie will cave if they just rage loud enough and long enough…. Aint happenin’….

Experimenting with and evolving difficulty options probably fell in about as good a place as it could have time wise. The whole game isn't and doesn't have to be difficult but it was a good thing for them to try to understand what difficulty looks like given how much the game has changed. Definitely wouldn't have made sense to do during witch queen and from what I understand a lot of the yikes factor that came with some of the difficulty increases at first was removed fairly quick. Lightfall being the year of difficulty is one of those things that will probably make more sense as time goes on. People being mad over not getting their personal idea of a good game is also confusing simply because you'd think that when they see themselves getting something they want they'd understand why someone else gets what they want to. That's kind of the name of the game and its just one of those things. The difficulty thing is similar to what they started with sbmm last year. With some of this stuff they just aren't going to know what it's going to look like or how they should tune it until they do it.

I’m not arguing with you. I’m just saying you are looking for a level of rationality and principled thought that is simply not there. You are dealing with objections from people who feel their money entitled them to a game that is personalized to their wishes and preferences. It is truly no more complicated than that. Which is why Bungie ignores them. Because there is no hope of any constructive or respectful enhancement. Just adult temper tantrums.

I guess I'm practicing for marathon because the level of rationality from some of my pvp superiors ain't gonna cut it if that is going to be ultimate pvp. What are some of them thinking? "Bungie out here creating one of their 'saaaafe spaces' for pvp players."

Bungie will do the same thing. Ignore the toxicity at its source. That’s the only way to deal with narcissistic entitlement.

Watch the pvp game become less toxic than this one. That probably won't happen but it's worth a try. It really doesn't have to be that toxic though if such diametrically opposed opinions aren't basically considered a central feature of the experience. The good thing is that can now be less the case for this game too, partially because it was for a time. I'm really having a hard time seeing what's so terrible. You know what's terrible, on purpose? 6v6. They need to stop making it so blatantly obvious that control and clash 6v6 would just be removed if it strangely wasn't for F2P. Somebody likes 6v6 though. There's just so much of it and it all feels weird.

Now that I disagree with you on. Vanilla D2 tried to get rid of 6v6 and replace with 4v4 as the core game mode. It was a disaster. Some of the devs probably don’t like it. Some of the former pvp team leads hated it…but it’s not going anywhere. You think this community is mad now….? Just let them try to get rid of 6v6.. x