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4/15/2023 2:31:26 PM
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The argument usually given for why some don’t like SBMM is lag.
My solution for the unfairness of cbmm is to make damage given/taken dynamic. Bungie does this with pve enemies. Apply the same in PvP. This would give the noobs, the fogies, the less gifted a chance at surviving the encounter when going up against someone 10+ times better than them.
The way it is now, no one can defend cbmm without looking selfish and even a bit pathological.[/quote]
CBMM is not unfair. Everyone is matched with everyone. It’s equal. Making a player do less damage or take more damage because they’re better than a other player would be unfair.
Equal is fair. Equity is unfair.
If you do not like pve difficulty, then you can lower it.[/quote]
Bungie PvP CBMM is hysterically unfair. Why do sports have leagues, divisions, pros and amateur separation?
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[quote] Bungie PvP CBMM is hysterically unfair. Why do sports have leagues, divisions, pros and amateur separation?[/quote] CBMM is fair. Everyone plays everyone in the same mode, with the same matchmaking and the same rewards. SBMM is not like sports leagues. Rank based would be like that. You play in lower ranks to move up into higher ranks. The higher your rank, the better your reward. Unfortunately, due to bad players complaint that they can’t reach higher ranks, RBMM has been replaced with SBMM, which unfairly matches you against better opponents for the same rewards as a player who is worse getting matched with worse opponents. If you want a fair experience, the experience needs to be equal. Equity is unfair.
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More Powerにより編集済み: 4/19/2023 2:17:40 PM[quote] CBMM is fair…. Equity is unfair.[/quote] CBMM is not now and never will be fair. It has driven far too many out of the game. Pros facing noobs is not fair. Bungie should embrace equity. It is the hallmark of woke ideology.
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[quote] CBMM is not now and never will be fair. It has driven far too many out of the game. Pros facing noobs is not fair. They should embrace equity. It is the hallmark of woke ideology.[/quote] Equity is unfair. If you’re preaching for fairness, equal opportunity is better than equal outcome. A better player should be rewarded for being better, just as you would expect inside of pve or in your sports comparison. Yet currently, SBMM means harder matches and the same rewards. Not fair.
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More Powerにより編集済み: 4/19/2023 2:21:32 PM[quote][quote] CBMM is not now and never will be fair. It has driven far too many out of the game. Pros facing noobs is not fair. They should embrace equity. It is the hallmark of woke ideology.[/quote] Equity is unfair. If you’re preaching for fairness, equal opportunity is better than equal outcome. A better player should be rewarded for being better, just as you would expect inside of pve or in your sports comparison. Yet currently, SBMM means harder matches and the same rewards. Not fair.[/quote] Who sees harder matches in cbmm? Noobs or pros?
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Boreにより編集済み: 4/19/2023 2:25:14 PM[quote] Who sees harder matches in cbmm? Noobs or pros?[/quote] You’re not getting harder matches with CBMM, everyone is playing together in the same pool and getting the same rewards. You asked for a fair experience and get you defend an unfair one, lmao.
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[quote][quote] Who sees harder matches in cbmm? Noobs or pros?[/quote] You’re not getting harder matches with CBMM, everyone is playing together in the same pool and getting the same rewards.[/quote] The noobs get crushed and humiliated by pros in cbmm games. No one is getting harder matches??? Really???
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Boreにより編集済み: 4/19/2023 2:33:05 PM[quote] The noobs get crushed and humiliated by pros in cbmm games. No one is getting harder matches??? Really???[/quote] It wouldn’t be a harder match, you’re just worse at the game. Just as any activity in pve is the same difficulty for everyone. Improve the way you play and you’ll improve your performance. Not the case with SBMM which has no incentive to improve.
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More Powerにより編集済み: 4/19/2023 3:12:26 PM[quote] Improve the way you play….[/quote] There was a post here a while back from a guy who took his girlfriend into a cbmm game. She had played quite a bit of pve, so she knew how gunplay and movement worked. Halfway through their first cbmm game together she gave up and stayed at the back of the map. She never entered another cbmm game. Just half a game was enough for her to learn that she had no chance, no opportunity or incentive to improve.
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[quote] There was a post here a while back from a guy who took his girlfriend into a cbmm game. She had played quite a bit of pve, so she knew how gunplay and movement worked. Halfway through their first cbmm game together she gave up and stayed at the back of the map. She never entered another cbmm game. Just half a game was enough for her to learn that she had no chance, no opportunity to improve.[/quote] That’s a terrible example, lmao. She gave up before trying. Those that perform better should do better and be rewarded for it. That’s fair. Unless you think PvP should be unfair, then you can’t argue against that.
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[quote][quote] There was a post here a while back from a guy who took his girlfriend into a cbmm game. She had played quite a bit of pve, so she knew how gunplay and movement worked. Halfway through their first cbmm game together she gave up and stayed at the back of the map. She never entered another cbmm game. Just half a game was enough for her to learn that she had no chance, no opportunity to improve.[/quote] That’s a terrible example, lmao. She gave up before trying. Those that perform better should do better and be rewarded for it. That’s fair. Unless you think PvP should be unfair, then you can’t argue against that.[/quote] Create an SBMM alternative without rewards, alongside your cbmm alternative, then let people decide which is fair, which is fun.
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[quote] Create an SBMM alternative without rewards, alongside your cbmm alternative, then let people decide which is fair, which is fun.[/quote] You can’t take out rewards from either and all that does is split the population, which has already dropped since the implementation of SBMM. Unsurprisingly catering towards those who do not want to play pvp means that those that do stop and the people being catered to still don’t want to play pvp.
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[quote][quote] Create an SBMM alternative without rewards, alongside your cbmm alternative, then let people decide which is fair, which is fun.[/quote] You can’t take out rewards from either and all that does is split the population, which has already dropped since the implementation of SBMM. Unsurprisingly catering towards those who do not want to play pvp means that those that do stop and the people being catered to still don’t want to play pvp.[/quote] I haven’t played any D2 for quite a while. I would if there was a “real” SBMM PvP game like was offered in D1Y1. I accumulated 60k kills and ended D1 with a 1.1-1.2 kd account wide. Our entire clan of older players loved it. This same clan dissolved early in D2, mostly because of cbmm.
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[quote] I haven’t played any D2 for quite a while. I would if there was a “real” SBMM PvP game like was offered in D1Y1. I accumulated 60k kills and ended D1 with a 1.1-1.2 kd account wide. Our entire clan of older players loved it. This same clan dissolved early in D2, mostly because of cbmm.[/quote] Early D2 had SBMM…
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[quote][quote] In name only…[/quote] Nope, it was full on SBMM. Seems like you and your friends weren’t fans of SBMM, lmao.[/quote] Nope, it was SBMM in name only. You know it’s closer to full-on SBMM when the streamers cry like babies.
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More Powerにより編集済み: 4/21/2023 4:42:25 PM[quote] You can find plenty of people complaining about it from that time. It was SBMM, lmao.[/quote] Was not. There are none so blind as those who will not see… For everyone else reading this who may want to know how they can know with certainty whether the matchmaking they’re experiencing is true SBMM or some variation of cbmm, read on… In true SBMM, there will not be a performance spread greater than 4x across the 12 players on the field. This means that if the top scoring player ends the game with 40 defeats, the lowest scoring player will not have less than 10. Everyone has a chance. In whatever variation of cbmm is at play, there could be up to a 100x performance spread across the 12 players. This means the best performing player could have up to 100 defeats while the lowest scoring player could have 0 or just 1 defeat. Usually, cbmm produces games where there is a 20-40x performance spread. Search in YouTube for “100 kill games in Destiny 2” to see just how disgusting cbmm can be. The bottom scoring players have no chance.
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[quote] Was not. There are none so blind as those who will not see… For everyone else reading this who may want to know how they can know with certainty whether the matchmaking they’re experiencing is true SBMM or some variation of cbmm, read on… In true SBMM, there will not be a performance spread greater than 4x across the 12 players on the field. This means that if the top scoring player ends the game with 40 defeats, the lowest scoring player will not have less than 10. Everyone has a chance. In whatever variation of cbmm is at play, there could be up to a 100x performance spread across the 12 players. This means the best performing player could have up to 100 defeats while the lowest scoring player could have 0 or just 1 defeat. Usually, cbmm produces games where there is a 20-40x performance spread. Search in YouTube for “100 kill games in Destiny 2” to see just how disgusting cbmm can be.[/quote] You’ve already said you’d don’t like SBMM. You’re doing a very poor job trying to defend it, lmao.
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[quote][quote] Was not. There are none so blind as those who will not see… For everyone else reading this who may want to know how they can know with certainty whether the matchmaking they’re experiencing is true SBMM or some variation of cbmm, read on… In true SBMM, there will not be a performance spread greater than 4x across the 12 players on the field. This means that if the top scoring player ends the game with 40 defeats, the lowest scoring player will not have less than 10. Everyone has a chance. In whatever variation of cbmm is at play, there could be up to a 100x performance spread across the 12 players. This means the best performing player could have up to 100 defeats while the lowest scoring player could have 0 or just 1 defeat. Usually, cbmm produces games where there is a 20-40x performance spread. Search in YouTube for “100 kill games in Destiny 2” to see just how disgusting cbmm can be.[/quote] You’ve already said you’d don’t like SBMM. You’re doing a very poor job trying to defend it, lmao.[/quote] I love SBMM.
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Boreにより編集済み: 4/21/2023 4:47:56 PM[quote]I love SBMM.[/quote] You said you and your friends quit because of the matchmaking in year 1, which was SBMM. You can’t claim you like SBMM when you unknowingly admitted to not liking the game when SBMM was turned on, lmao.
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[quote][quote]I love SBMM.[/quote] You said you and your friends quit because of the matchmaking in year 1, which was SBMM. You can’t claim you like SBMM when you unknowingly admitted to not liking the game when SBMM was turned on, lmao.[/quote] I’ll speak more slowly… Bungie moved toward cbmm in late D1, and by early D2, matchmaking had shifted even more toward cbmm… Therefore, if the matchmaking was labeled as SBMM in early D2, it “ WAS SBMM IN NAME ONLY”.
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[quote] I’ll speak more slowly… Bungie moved toward cbmm in late D1, and by early D2, matchmaking had shifted even more toward cbmm… Therefore, if the matchmaking was labeled as SBMM in early D2, it “ WAS SBMM IN NAME ONLY”.[/quote] Early D2 had SBMM. You can’t claim it wasn’t when it was. You might not have known, but that just makes your dislike of SBMM all the more genuine. You’ve done a very poor job defending SBMM, lmao.
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[quote][quote] I’ll speak more slowly… Bungie moved toward cbmm in late D1, and by early D2, matchmaking had shifted even more toward cbmm… Therefore, if the matchmaking was labeled as SBMM in early D2, it “ WAS SBMM IN NAME ONLY”.[/quote] Early D2 had SBMM. You can’t claim it wasn’t when it was. You might not have known, but that just makes your dislike of SBMM all the more genuine. You’ve done a very poor job defending SBMM, lmao.[/quote] Comprehension difficulties…
