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4/7/2023 3:44:26 PM
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[quote]COD did it and it’s so fun hearing about streamers who switched games or sucked at events because they can’t play without cheating *cough* 3rd party devices 😌.[/quote]
Give it 6 months and those 3rd party devices will not only work again but be even more resilient to anti-cheat
You forget cheating is a market place and it is always competing with anti-cheat
As well there is already a cheat that exists that can only be stopped if anti-cheat had a camera in your room
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SolarCerberuSにより編集済み: 4/9/2023 9:27:05 PMDepends on how they are being detected. If its how I have suggested countless times no update/upgrade will stop them being detectable. People cannot replicate the input timing and sequencing these devices allow no matter how good they are. If the detection is based off of this there wont be an effective work around without making the devices function too poorly to warrant their usage.
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[quote]Depends on how they are being detected. If its how I have suggested countless times no update/upgrade will stop them being detectable. People cannot replicate the input timing and sequencing these devices allow no matter how good they are. If the detection is based off of this there wont be an effective work around without making the devices function too poorly to warrant their usage.[/quote] Thats when people just make it so the cheats are possible by a person. Most anti-cheats look for impossible inputs
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[quote]Then they wouldnt be cheats, at least effective ones, the scripting for that would also be more complex so alot of wasted effort for no real benefit.[/quote] No theyd be effective as long as its possible by a human it wont be banned
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[quote]Which defeats the purpose of using it, if the average player can replicate the inputs the device loses its purpose as it no longer has a competitive edge.[/quote] Where did i say its the average person, it can be highly above average and it provides a advantage over almost all players. As long as it’s physically possible
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[quote]Which is why they will still be detectable no mater how they change their scripts.[/quote] No they wont, lmao You cant differentiate basic player inputs from cheater, there are players who have skill that when you watch look like they are cheating. Hackers keep their scipts in this area. Hiding the scripts extremely well
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Incorrect players no mater how good they are dont have perfect timing down to the millisecond everytime they press a button. I dont think people realise how easy (with the right software) it is to detect macros, script inputs.
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[quote]Incorrect players no mater how good they are dont have perfect timing down to the millisecond everytime they press a button. I dont think people realise how easy (with the right software) it is to detect macros, script inputs.[/quote] We are making progress here, now lets look at a lil less than perfect. Also its still pretty hard to detect those things if you aren’t stupid, D2 bans macro use but yet its used all the time cause the Anti-Cheat cant tell between perfect movements and cheating
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New detection systems not in yet, has to be coded first, activision uses ricochet so isnt a straight import/upgrade for destiny. Devs are talking with each other so any software will have to be adapted for other anticheat programs for other games.
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[quote]New detection systems not in yet, has to be coded first, activision uses ricochet so isnt a straight import/upgrade for destiny. Devs are talking with each other so any software will have to be adapted for other anticheat programs for other games.[/quote] Spoofing is what cheaters use to bypass detection they do not use copyrighted code but public domain code to pass themselves off as legit devices. Some devices do use copyrighted code bit finding which ones isn’t easy
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Using/manipulating the code via their hardware is essentially copywriting as they use Bungies inputs then exploit them. Every input is coded hence by the devices manipulating, combining, circumventing that code they are open to copyright infringement, its why controllers have to be officially licenced or allowed by the console companies.
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[quote]Using/manipulating the code via their hardware is essentially copywriting as they use Bungies inputs then exploit them. Every input is coded hence by the devices manipulating, combining, circumventing that code they are open to copyright infringement, its why controllers have to be officially licenced or allowed by the console companies.[/quote] Bungie inputs and exploits them? But no code of Bungies is being manipulated you just have a bot putting the inputs in for you at the rate you set
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SolarCerberuSにより編集済み: 4/11/2023 2:39:28 AMBungies inputs (coding for controller actions) are being exploited as they are being scripted to perform multiple actions via one controller button press. Being manipulated in the sense that multiple actions are being performed rapidly with one action from the player which is not an intended possibility from Bungie.
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It’s not that we forgot, we expect bungie to invest in anti-cheat constantly. It’s why the are the company with billions of dollars and we are the customers. It is their responsibility to ensure anti-cheat is constantly funded and up to par with the rest of the market. Even if it makes bungie lose them money.
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[quote]It’s not that we forgot, we expect bungie to invest in anti-cheat constantly. It’s why the are the company with billions of dollars and we are the customers. It is their responsibility to ensure anti-cheat is constantly funded and up to par with the rest of the market. Even if it makes bungie lose them money.[/quote] They did they have battle eye now its battle eyes job to deal with anti-cheat Its well funded Also you must have never worked a job to say “even if it makes bungie lose money” in what world has a business ever done that
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[quote][quote]It’s not that we forgot, we expect bungie to invest in anti-cheat constantly. It’s why the are the company with billions of dollars and we are the customers. It is their responsibility to ensure anti-cheat is constantly funded and up to par with the rest of the market. Even if it makes bungie lose them money.[/quote] They did they have battle eye now its battle eyes job to deal with anti-cheat Its well funded Also you must have never worked a job to say “even if it makes bungie lose money” in what world has a business ever done that[/quote] Many jobs that wanna be successful long term have to be willing to loss some money short term to make more money. That’s just a fact of good business. It’s clear I’m talking to someone whose a short term planner, and doesn’t see the big picture of investment. Every highly successful long term company has lost money to make money. I think you need to touch up on ur business knowledge
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[quote][quote][quote]It’s not that we forgot, we expect bungie to invest in anti-cheat constantly. It’s why the are the company with billions of dollars and we are the customers. It is their responsibility to ensure anti-cheat is constantly funded and up to par with the rest of the market. Even if it makes bungie lose them money.[/quote] They did they have battle eye now its battle eyes job to deal with anti-cheat Its well funded Also you must have never worked a job to say “even if it makes bungie lose money” in what world has a business ever done that[/quote] Many jobs that wanna be successful long term have to be willing to loss some money short term to make more money. That’s just a fact of good business. It’s clear I’m talking to someone whose a short term planner, and doesn’t see the big picture of investment. Every highly successful long term company has lost money to make money. I think you need to touch up on ur business knowledge[/quote] Yea and those investments all have reasons thare are not because of anti-cheat
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Easy to see they are not primarily marketed as access devices, if the devices can in anyway be linked to players quitting it effects a companies profits, that can be evident via game forums and players stating exactly that. Plenty of cheat forums showing these devices are primarily being used as cheat devices. So the evidence is there, just whether its financially worth it, all it would take is for one dev to open the floodgates but it likely wont need to come to that. A detection system is all thats needed once player get wind of the lossibility of being banned the devices will stop selling as much.
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[quote]Easy to see they are not primarily marketed as access devices, if the devices can in anyway be linked to players quitting it effects a companies profits, that can be evident via game forums and players stating exactly that. Plenty of cheat forums showing these devices are primarily being used as cheat devices. So the evidence is there, just whether its financially worth it, all it would take is for one dev to open the floodgates but it likely wont need to come to that. A detection system is all thats needed once player get wind of the lossibility of being banned the devices will stop selling as much.[/quote] So its a crime to affect a companies profits? Thats not a strong legal case since there is no law protecting companies like that
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Depends, if its of a competitive nature no just like two gaming companies or console companies compete. However if it can be proven that these 3rd party devices are directly linked to declining sales then indeed it opens the door for legal action
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[quote]Depends, if its of a competitive nature no just like two gaming companies or console companies compete. However if it can be proven that these 3rd party devices are directly linked to declining sales then indeed it opens the door for legal action[/quote] Still no legal case, which law is being broken
