Scarlet Nexus is a box game, so is already "complete" before release. Also, no it isn't bigger than Destiny and has no replayability. I know, I have played it. We've been through this, Call of Duty is been payed for over and over again and doesn't offer more than Destiny, yet costs the same or more as a full Destiny 2 deluxe DLC. Yes, Sims does play without DLC, but to even a few DLCs for it will cost about as much as a Destiny expansion. You're not paying for Witch Queen again. You can still access it since you payed for it, and the game functions without ever owning Lightfall. You not thinking that adeluxe edition expansion is worth $100 doesn't change the fact that it is comparable to other games. Lightfall is about $40 for the expansion itself. That includes access to endgame crucible modes (Trials), Neomuna and it's associated gear and weapons, campaign, cosmetics, etc. The deluxe edition gives you access to everything mentioned above, plus four seasons valued at or around $15, quicksilver storm and it's catalyst, and both dungeon keys. $15 for a season × 4 seasons = $60 $60 + $40 dollars for the expansion = $100. $100 is more than worth it for a year's worth of content.

[quote]Scarlet Nexus is a box game, so is already "complete" before release[/quote] And this is why your comparison falls flat, you compare online games that keeps getting new content with box games that don't get any new content [quote]has no replayability.[/quote] Well, what is the replayability in destiny? [quote]Yes, Sims does play without DLC, but to even a few DLCs for it will cost about as much as a Destiny expansion. You're not paying for Witch Queen again. You can still access it since you payed for it, and the game functions without ever owning Lightfall.[/quote] You pay again for the same DLC in the sims? And the game functions without ever owning lightfall, sure, but how much can you play? [quote]Lightfall is about $40 for the expansion itself. That includes access to endgame crucible modes (Trials), Neomuna and it's associated gear and weapons, campaign, cosmetics, etc.[/quote] Neomuna is more likely to be added regardless of purchase and for a $40 DLC, I'm being a bit skeptical it will be more than usual small areas connected through corridors or alleys. Looking at [url=http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2008/07/ah071908mapmain.jpg]Lich King map[/url], you get a whole new continent for that so for map comparison alone, a city is a bit tiny for that and the gears will be more likely to be the same base model in different casings unless they take an extra step adding different weapons like wrist mounted homing missile launcher like [url=https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Atlas]Atlas from borderlands[/url] [quote]The deluxe edition gives you access to everything mentioned above, plus four seasons valued at or around $15, quicksilver storm and it's catalyst, and both dungeon keys.[/quote] Four seasons with one activity you do on repeat and drip fed story every week? If it's the same pattern with previous seasons then mo thanks, you can have that mind numbing activity for free in other online games [quote]$100 is more than worth it for a year's worth of content.[/quote] For you, maybe but for me it's not enough stuffs worth the $100 a year when I play other online games giving similar amount of content for less amount of money if not free

Actually no, my point does not fall flat. The game still costed full price, plus DLC, like every other game aside from free downloads. You complain about doing the same activities over and over again, then say it has no replayability. Make up you mind, if you have one. You can play what you have paid for, again, like other games. Also, Sims makes you pay for reused assets, which you seem to have an issue with. The only way you would ever be happy with Destiny is if EVERY weapon or armor piece was built from the ground up, which is unreasonable. Yes, you play Warfarm. The same activities over and over again and then come to the Destiny forums and complain about doing activities over and over again. If you don't like anything in Destiny, why are you even here? And before you say you're giving feedback, there comes a point when it's just whining. It seems like you're only here just to whine and complain. At this point, I'm going into a battle of whits with someone who is I'll equipped.

[quote]You complain about doing the same activities over and over again, then say it has no replayability.[/quote] And that's where your point about replayability shows its problem, the so-called "replayability" is doing the same activity on repeat and you say scarlet nexus has no replayability [quote]Also, no it isn't bigger than Destiny and has no replayability.[/quote] If you imply destiny has replayability, then what is the replayability part? [quote]You can play what you have paid for, again, like other games. Also, Sims makes you pay for reused assets[/quote] If you mean paying for reused asset is paying for something in the sims 3 to have it in the sims 4, mind you that it's not the same game while destiny is one game and the worse part is reusing assets they removed from the game like Mars lost sector on season of plunder despite being removed from the game. Now does the sims remove any DLC you paid and adding it back for $10? I believe they don't [quote]Yes, you play Warfarm. The same activities over and over again and then come to the Destiny forums and complain about doing activities over and over again[/quote] There's some difference on doing the same activities in Warframe, the missions are not the same "reach the end of the level and defeat the boss" all the time and you have 50+ Warframes and lots of different weapons you can mess around with that are more than shooting bullets like Alternox [quote]The only way you would ever be happy with Destiny is if EVERY weapon or armor piece was built from the ground up, which is unreasonable[/quote] For that $40 - $100? That's not really unreasonable and I'm not saying every weapon or armor, they can at least make one base model for each foundry and weapon class like double barrel shotgun for Tex Mechanica, the rest can be slight reskin like borderlands does to reduce monotony on equipments [quote]At this point, I'm going into a battle of whits with someone who is *ill equipped.[/quote] Feel free to say that to yourself

Scarlet nexus is a box game, so it does not have anywhere near the same replayablity. The replayablity is the part you don't like. Weekly pinnacle runs, dungeons, raids, PvP, exotic missions. doing most of, if not all of those things are more than enough to do during a week for one guardian, let alone for all three. You find it boring, but it is replayablity whether you like it or not. Sims 3 and 4 both have many reused assets that are paid for multiple times. We have been over the reused assets topic multiple times in previous conversations. it's getting old. We have been over the weapons topic in previous conversations as well. Destiny has no shortage in different weapon types. there are "regular weapons," giant revolvers, plasma guns, swords, and glaives. It is unreasonable. That would take an almost impossible amount of work in a short period to design, and code different weapon models. There are only so many weapon styles anyway. Live service developers have to use a model/template for their weapons and armor so they can actually provide content in a timely manner. People would happily spend $50 on a tank of gas that will last you a week, or spend $60-70 on theirs console's membership + a $60-70 game to go with it, or buy a new Iphone every year, but will complain about $100 to get a deluxe edition DLC of a game they play regularly. This topic is so trivial. Why would I say that to myself? You're the one who doesn't get it and refuses to see that their logic is flawed.

[quote]That would take an almost impossible amount of work in a short period to design, and code different weapon models. There are only so many weapon styles anyway.[/quote] So, what's stopping them from using that "only so many weapon styles anyway"? One model for one foundry just like what borderlands 2 and 3 do, one model for each foundry and weapon class and almost impossible? https://warface.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons Most of the weapons are based on present day armaments so I don't think it's impossible for them to take one and set it for each foundry [quote]Live service developers have to use a model/template for their weapons and armor so they can actually provide content in a timely manner.[/quote] So, what's the excuse for them to not able to make a new model/template when they showed they can do it with Dead Man's Tale, being the only lever action rifle where there's no existing template for it? [quote]People would happily spend $50 on a tank of gas that will last you a week, or spend $60-70 on theirs console's membership + a $60-70 game to go with it, or buy a new Iphone every year, but will complain about $100 to get a deluxe edition DLC of a game they play regularly. This topic is so trivial.[/quote] $60 - $70 for a new game, not a something you already have before but colored pink or wrapped with cloth [quote]Sims 3 and 4 both have many reused assets that are paid for multiple times.[/quote] But have they ever remove those assets from your game for whatever reason only to sell it again as different DLC? I believe not even EA has the guts to do it

We have been over this time and time again. We're going around in circles at this point, and I'm not an Olympic sprinter. You don't even play the game, yet criticize it. You have one character at 1350 power, have less than 100 Destiny hours played, have your profile stats hidden, and your steam account hidden with a Warframe character as your profile picture. It's clear you enjoy Warframe and hate Destiny, so go play that and stop being a forum troll and trying to actively ruin the experience for others. And before you say you're offering feedback... There comes a point when you're just whining. You're good at that.

[quote]You don't even play the game[/quote] With recent problem where you have to download the same patch on every startup, they make ot hard to play [quote]have your profile stats hidden[/quote] I have no idea how that happened [quote]It's clear you enjoy Warframe and hate Destiny[/quote] They make it hard to enjoy the game by themselves and I believe I'm not the only one feeling like this. I can hit 1,500 by the end of the week but what's there for me? I'll have to go back to grinding power again once lightfall comes out so why should I grind now? I'll just start at lightfall from wherever they set, be it 1350 or higher

It's funny, most people don't have any issues with startup. Verify your files on Steam. You have to manually set hiding your profile. You have played 60 hours. That's hardly enough time to even begin to understand the game, let alone it being "hard to enjoy." It doesn't even appear that you played Beyond Light. You're judging a game and it's developer without even developing an understanding of it or getting good at it.

[quote]It's funny, most people don't have any issues with startup. Verify your files on Steam.[/quote] So what's this? https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262388616?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262387044?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262385955?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384710?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384542?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384575?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384637?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384097?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262384761?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262385621?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262385542?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262386890?sort=0&page=0 https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/262383001?sort=0&page=0 And not just one thread, 13 threads about repeated install [quote]You have to manually set hiding your profile.[/quote] Then I have no idea how come it's hidden when I never touch it [quote]You have played 60 hours. That's hardly enough time to even begin to understand the game, let alone it being "hard to enjoy."[/quote] Repeated pinnacle grind, copy and paste weapons, no visible power growth other than higher number on the screen when you deal damage, and paywall everywhere even on new story such as beyond light, what else do I need to look at beyond 60 hours? Missions with modifiers and power disadvantage for difficulty?

According to those links you shared, the issue was a bug that was investigated and fixed. If the problem is on Steam's end, then there are ways to fix the issues, and Epic exists as an alternative now. You're just looking for something to nitpick and complain about. It's a YOU problem. How can you can complain about released pinnacle grind when you have very minimal hours played? I have met noobs that have more hours played than you. You have hardly anything unlocked and only one character, yet think you know the game as well as someone who has played since beta D1 and consistently plays during the week. 60 hours is not even rookie numbers.

[quote]According to those links you shared, the issue was a bug that was investigated and fixed[/quote] And this is what I should expect to get for $100 a year? How is that not making me hard to play when the game still having bugs and other problems despite vaulting content that is said to make the game manageable? [quote]How can you can complain about released pinnacle grind when you have very minimal hours played?[/quote] After experiencing it once and seeing the problem staying after so many threads complaining about it, I don't see much reason to play when the content is grinding for the copy and paste weapons if it's not exotic

wanna name a perfect, bug-free live service game? Hell, Warframe's cross play released bugged.... Yeah, so you gave a half-hearted attempt with a closed mind, then came to the forums that's loaded with other cry babies so you could feel justified in quitting. Bold strategy, Cotton. Again, we're going in around in circles. You're consistently spewing nonsense, and it's gotten tiring. Obviously you're close minded and a complete kinderguardian. 60 hours is nowhere near enough time to complain about power grind, or anything else in Destiny.

[quote]wanna name a perfect, bug-free live service game? [/quote] I'm sure there's none, but I haven't seen one having as much bugs and being obnoxious as destiny yet [quote]Yeah, so you gave a half-hearted attempt with a closed mind, then came to the forums that's loaded with other cry babies so you could feel justified in quitting[/quote] So I have to spend 1k+ hours numbingly slogging through all of that to justify something?

Cyberpunk and Sea of Thieves would like a word. To avoid looking more like a complete fool than you already do, yes.

I don't think cyberpunk is a live service game and I can't say anything about sea of thieves, but are they still riddled with bugs to the point of rollback to undo the bug today? I don't think so. No thanks, I don't think I'll go through 1k+ of hamster wheel just for that when you can see what's in store in less than 100 hours

Cyberpunk is actually updated relatively often, making it Live-service. And yes, it still has several bugs that require you to reset a checkpoint or make the game crash. No, you can't. You clearly enjoy the same things on repeat on Warframe, so by all means, go play that and stay off the Destiny Forums. Take for example, someone goes to a restaurant just to complain about their food and tell all the patrons how bad the food is and how good "X" other restaurant's food is. That's you here.

[quote]You clearly enjoy the same things on repeat on Warframe[/quote] And look the reason why, not just "leave" [quote]Take for example, someone goes to a restaurant just to complain about their food and tell all the patrons how bad the food is and how good "X" other restaurant's food is. That's you here.[/quote] Time to take notes what's in that criticism and learn what's to improve from the bad food, not frowning and sulking

So if you enjoy warframe, why are you here? If it's just to be annoying, you're doing great. It's not that the food is bad, it's that you don't like it. It's like going to McDonald's and Saying Burger King is better to the people at McDonald's. It's pointless, obnoxious, and pathetic. Let people enjoy what they want instead of being "that guy" saying "bUrgEr kInG beTtEr" all while holding a double standard.