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I always find it interesting that PTS and PTSD are mentioned with veterans as the primary target group. Anyone can develop PTS or PTSD and women who do are a largely underserved population. I mentioned to a friend that I’m in therapy for PTSD and was immediately asked in which branch of the military did I serve. Trauma is trauma however it is experienced. Everyone with PTS or PTSD needs support, not only veterans. That is my awareness message for the day.
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  • [u][i][b][quote]... would like to extend my support to any/all that may need it. Even if you do not fall into this category but have struggles with your mental health, you are not alone.[/quote][/b][/i][/u] This was literally the whole purpose of this forum, and you completely missed it and turned it political.

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  • Nothing political about what I said. My entire purpose in responding was to emphasize that more than active, retired, and former military members and their families can have PTS and/or PTSD. Other comments emphasized that it’s been a tragic road for the medical and psychological community to get to the point they have in diagnosing and treating PTS and PTSD. If you are truly welcome to supporting all people with PTS or PTSD, as you say, then perhaps your next post title and majority of your post will reflect that. People have to get past the title to find the open invitation.

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  • The condescending tone I read in this comment- which, by the way, is made on a post seeking to do some good, implies to me that you are incredulous over a veteran who wants to help other veterans. So he didn't include women issues in the title- so?- the point seems to me to help other vets and relate in the form of a support group. The fact that they invite all later on in the post and not in the title is irrelevant. How are the traumas of civilian woman and hardened combat veteran, who may be a man [i]or[/i] woman, related? PTS is obviously not exclusive to those who have seen combat, anyone with a basic understanding of human behavior knows that. While "women" experience PTS, the idea of a one size fits all approach when dealing with civilian women and combat veterans is preposterous. Perhaps I'm just confused- when are you starting your women's support group that invites everyone in, but doesn't really relate to the traumas of men or others? I just don't see the point of your comment at all, except in the context of "Oh but women too have traumas" well- yes they do but how many of them are keyed to the trauma of fighting in a war zone? Help me out here. What was the point of interjecting this hot-take on PTS instead of making your own post to address the issues of women?

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  • I agree that you may be confused. Spend a few years researching the topic and you should gain clarity. You are forgiven.

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  • You truly are ridiculous for commandeering a veterans attempts to form a group to support other veterans to push some sort of narrative about all trauma being the same- I ask again- when are you starting your women's issues support group? Because you seem to do nothing but criticize one person's attempts to help others like them. Thanks for the forgiveness but I don't need it. I assume you claim some sort of experience in this field, but anyone can claim that. Please answer my questions and stop deflecting- it looks really dumb on a psychiatric [i]expert[/i] such as yourself.

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  • Thank you for your input. Have a great day.

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  • Tilman Gにより編集済み: 11/16/2022 10:21:33 PM
    Agreed, I feel like using the term “shell shock”could be a way to differentiate between the two. Edit: a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Probably best pretend I am not here.

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  • Triple eX Sweatにより編集済み: 11/16/2022 10:38:39 PM
    LMAO [u]NO![/u] Tilman G; you are here, you are present, and your voice does matter. Edit: Am I crazy or does no one value or see the importance of having open and engaging conversations? It's when and only when toxicity breeds more toxicity is it no longer beneficial. Ignorance can only be changed through getting past tough conversations and understanding one another.

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  • You are not crazy. I personally just know that occasionally people on the internet like to overreact. I am always willing to have conversation and discuss topics in a civil manner; if not I would have edited my post to remove what I said.

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  • There is biologically and psychologically no difference between PTS or PTSD caused by “shell shock” and other forms of trauma. That is my point. PTS and PTSD are experienced by vastly different demographics of people. Individuals with vastly different forms of trauma can benefit from the same types of support, treatment, and therapy. However, when support, treatment, and therapy is focused on a particular demographic and resources are limited, others may not have the opportunity to receive what they need to heal.

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    [quote]Individuals with vastly different forms of trauma can benefit from the same types of support, treatment, and therapy. [/quote] Sure, they can benefit from the same [i]types[/i] of therapy, but the implementation of that treatment isn’t necessarily the same. And in a support group, it’s better to have people you can relate to. That’s kind of the point. [quote]However, when support, treatment, and therapy is focused on a particular demographic and resources are limited, others may not have the opportunity to receive what they need to heal.[/quote] Resources are limited, sure, but they aren’t focused on a specific demographic. It’s hard for everyone to find a therapist right now. You seem to have this notion that veterans have some sort of weird stranglehold over PTSD treatment, which just isn’t true.

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  • Wrong- you are implying that the experiences had by veterans and civilian women with trauma are easily relatable. They are not. You can try to say the biological/physiological effect is the same but that discounts the cause being totally unrelated.

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  • Research. You are still forgiven.

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  • Common sense- getting shot at; living under the constant threat of attack, and being verbally/physically abused by another is not the same experience. most people are not mental health professionals and when they attempt to help others in the form of relatable support, they don't need some keyboard psychiatrist telling them they aren't doing enough. You have no point here- you're flexing some irrelevant knowledge for an unknown goal. Please stop.

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  • Research. You are forgiven.

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  • Speakerにより編集済み: 11/17/2022 11:53:37 AM
    Better sense- you have none. Answer my question- when does your support group for everyones one-size-fits-all trauma start? Sincerely curious.

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  • Triple eX Sweatにより編集済み: 11/16/2022 8:37:18 PM
    [quote]Individuals with vastly different forms of trauma can benefit from the same types of support, treatment, and therapy[/quote] - yes, they can. It is a shame that more programs aren't available to the general public. I am "fortunate" to have the resources available to me that I have. They did come at a price though. You are entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree (@Tilman G @DRAG0NH0NEY). What you are saying is somewhat inaccurate and misappropriate in regard to the history and use of some terms. Starting with the demographic i.e. the [b]"shell shocked"[/b] combat veterans of WW1 up until the Vietnam War in which the term was actually recoined to [b]"battle fatigue"[/b]. [u] We have turned away from those terms because they are actually diminishing and dismissive to the person experiencing symptoms associated with PTS. [/u] It is now more common to reference without the negative connotation of it being a [i]disorder[/i] - [quote][b]I wear this as a badge of honor. I am very much orderly as opposed to disorderly. [/b][/quote] I do agree with maybe one part of what you said. At one point, PTS was an epidemic that was going untreated (and still is to this day) in the military. It was very ostracized and stigmatized to admit having any mental health issues during one's enlistment and even afterwards. Unfortunately, it is still seen as a "weakness", and I actually have/had fellow Marines deny that they were affected due to the negative view media and culture associate with these terms e.g. "shell shocked", "battle fatigue" and PTSD. Which unfortunately, and only naturally, conditions people to believe that PTSD is exclusive to combat veterans. So yes, there may have been a moment in time where a lot of efforts, support, treatment, and therapy was focused on a particular demographic and resources [were] limited, in which others may not have the opportunity to receive what they needed to heal. I do believe times are different now and mental health awareness is more inclusive. The only way to raise awareness is to talk about it and have these conversations. I may be a combat veteran and have some bias, but I also consider myself to be permeable to all opinions and values. [b];[/b]

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  • I apologize I did not mean for what I said to become divisive in any way. I knew that in the first world war, “shell shock” was dismissed by others, but I had believed that we as a society had moved past that and understood that it was a genuine issue that should be properly addressed.

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  • No apology is necessary. Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

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  • PTSD is a disorder and it should not have any more negative connotations than any other illness. In that we agree. The whole history of how PTS and PTSD became diagnosis is fraught with bias, ignorance, discrimination, and suffering. Thankfully much study is still underway to understand the mechanics our bodies perform to protect us from future trauma.

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  • [quote]The whole history of how PTS and PTSD became diagnosis is fraught with bias, ignorance, discrimination, and suffering.[/quote] We can stop that suffering though and just agree to disagree. I support all going through mental health issues, regardless of where it came from. The methods in which the illness was derived is insignificant. [b]We are all different but the same in retrospect.[/b]

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  • Please note my exact comment in regards to use of “shell shock”. I thanked him for his clarification. Nothing else should be read into that.

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  • It has been noted. All of my responses and this conversation has been strictly addressing comments and statements that have been made. Please note that the only "reading into" I am doing here is off of the page in which you type. Thanks for stopping by and for expressing your thoughts. I left the floor open to have a productive conversation where we can debate, share thoughts and get to understand each other more but I no longer wish to engage in this conversation as I have exhausted my point of view and it doesn't seem like it wants to be considered or acknowledged by participating parties. Have a nice day though. [b];[/b]

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  • Tilman Gにより編集済み: 11/16/2022 6:55:36 PM
    That was my point as well, sorry I did not explain well. I was just pondering if using that term to differentiate the origin would be useful so that more people would realize that ptsd is not exclusive to military service.

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  • Appreciate the clarification.

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