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The hive deserved betterにより編集済み: 10/29/2022 11:52:02 PM
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There’s a big warlock problem right now

https://youtu.be/xremuZ_gxns If you need a breakdown here it is. Go ahead and read some of the comments too. Cross missed a few points but it holds up pretty much. Warlock has been monopolized onto the other 2 classes with minimal/not worthwhile gains in return. Titan and hunter both feel more power fantasy than the main player for power fantasy now. Back to the sandbox bungo Alexa, play “get better at your class and learn to build, we don’t care if you’ve mained warlock since d1”
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  • My warlock over here chucking infinite stasis turrets

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  • Get better at your class and learn to build, we don’t care if you’ve mained warlock since d1.

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    • Okay just for your -blam!- I watched 15 minutes of the most annoying voice on YouTube and what I love is at the very end Cross literally says "3.0 was worth it" and then he goes further to say the only thing he really didn't like was a Titan nerf!!! Just...LOL. Nice self ownage. You linked to a video ostensibly to show Warlocks need buffs when the very conclusion of the video was the tradeoffs of what Warlock lost were "worth it" compared to the 3.0 gains. And that the only one -blam!- got jobbed here, in his opinion, was Warrior.

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      • [quote]There's a big warlock problem right now[/quote] They complain too much?

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      • Yes

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      • I'm honestly not sure why everyone thinks warlocks got shafted. They lose some previous things in their subclass but they are still incredibly good and potent. I would only say that if anything could be buffed it would be their super. I think the question isn't warlocks are underpowered it's just that invisible hunter is so strong and arc titan is over tuned. Though warlocks don't have the numbers at least all their subclasses are pretty equally played.

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        • How about we just nerf all of the classes to make the game less easy. Let’s be honest, every class is too powerful right now. Every class can ability spam like crazy and clear rooms on most difficulties with a single grenade. Most content in the game just isn’t designed for what we can do… yet people still feel the need to ask for class buffs? Really…? So what if titans and hunters can do things that warlock can? Why does it matter?

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        • Even if you're sarcastically calling the git gud line at the bottom you already know it's true. There is nothing wrong with any of the warlock 3.0 except for the removal of daybreak intrinsics and that to keep up with the OP changes to arc titan and hunter chaos needs to be turned into an instant cast. Maybe, since geo was gutted, the boots can add a little more damage to the super. Absolutely nothing else is wrong with the class. People are flocking to the over powered oppressiveness that is titan and hunter. Those two classes need to be brought down in line some. It really is that you people have absolutely zero idea how to play warlock period.

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          • Warlocks did lose a lot, for sure. (Void Warlock is still one of my favorite Subclasses though, I think it's better than Void pre 3.0, to be honest.) (And Solar Warlocks are naturally infamous for what they lost, not too knowledgeable about Arc though, haven't experimented with Arc Warlocks that much, so would appreciate filling in on how they are.) And while Void Titan definitely gained a lot, I don't think your Statement rings true for Solar or even Arc. (Grenades on Arc are great though.) And before you think I'm just saying, "But what about me", Solar especially has basically been massacred, and this is due to one key factor that is basically the key identity of Solar Titan, Sunspots. Roaring Flames getting nerfed was reasonable, and the loss of other key nodes from 2.0 was fair, but Sunspots did not deserve getting a flat across the board nerf. The loss of increased weapon damage? Fair, I won't lie. Radiant does that job anyways, so I can't complain there. A nerf to its increased ability regen? Harsh, but I guess it's fair, even though it feels like it really doesn't enhance ability regen anymore. But a nerf to Sunspot damage on top of that? That's a little much. Sunspots as a whole were nerfed across the board, and probably paid too much of a price in the name of one Exotic. (Loreley Splendor.) A couple of factors getting nerfed was fair, but they really didn't deserve a blanket nerf, especially in the name of a single Exotic. (Or at the very least, Super created Sunspots should keep the pre-nerf damage.) And as for Arc Titan, it just lost a few things overall, most notably Trample, and the fact that Fists is just a nerfed version of Top Tree Fists anyways, is really a bit much. Fists is arguably in contention for worst super in the game, and is outclassed in all ways by Thundercrash, which isn't even good without Cuirass; which definitely says something if HoIL Storm Grenades deal better overall damage than it. Arc Titan before 3.0 wasn't even that good anyways, and was only used for Cuirass. Now that it has those Storm Grenades, it's pretty good, but if those Grenades get nerfed harshly, it goes back to being a Cuirass bot subclass. (Which for the sake of identity, is definitely not a good thing, especially considering that Star Eaters outclass Cuirass anyways, with multiple supers.) Warlocks did lose a lot, that I can't deny, but I feel we should look at all subclasses a whole and not just their strongest points, because Titans lost a lot too, and it feels like that isn't talked about enough. (Should note that what I've talked about goes for PvE, and I couldn't care for PvP all that much, unless it's Mayhem, which is fun.)

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          • GANDALFにより編集済み: 10/30/2022 3:14:26 PM
            I’m not “upset” with how the Warlock subclasses 3.0 turned out per se, but I’m disappointed. For the Titans and Hunters that will immediately jump out and say “but we lost X, Y and Z!” I sympathize. Hunters and Titans did lose some beloved abilities. I play mostly Warlock but I play enough of the other two to understand their kits with adequate intimacy. Most of the abilities Titans and Hunters “lost” can still be accessed through fragments (albeit slightly weaker since all classes have access to all fragments), or they were baked into the aspects and renamed yet their function remains the same. In my opinion, it’s easier for Titan/Hunter classes to build into their original kits, AND they get a unique Warlock ability on top of that, and it’s typically synergistic with the original Titan/Hunter kit. I think the reverse is not true save for some very niche cases for a couple of extremely specific builds. I wish all three classes could have kept more of their class-exclusive abilities. Healing grenades do not belong on Titans and Hunters. Benevolent Dawn (now a much watered down fragment) should have been an aspect exclusive to Warlocks. Devour does not belong on Titans and Hunters, and likewise I think invisibility doesn’t belong on Warlocks and Titans either, and the same goes for some of the Titans’ original kits. I’m disappointed with the -blam!- of the subclasses and I think Warlocks lost a chunk of their “Warlock” identity, I think Solar and Arc are the worst offenders. Edit: It censored h0-mog_enization!?!? Good grief what can we say anymore???

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            • TV is asking the same question and coming up with the same answer. Warlocks are the weakest they have ever been in PVE and PVP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kiQ2IFwbOA&t=514s The real problem is that Bungie has diluted their abilities so much and given them to Hunters and Titans you have to aske the question does the game even need Warlocks anymore? Warlocks no longer have a class identity. Strand "may" fix this but doubtful because its going to take nerfs to Titans and Hunters for Warlocks to get back what they lost. I have been a Warlocks main from Day 1 D1 and I can say that when I play my Titan or Hunter I don't have to play around the problems with those classes like I do.....sadly....like I do with my Warlock especially in PVP.

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              • I will trade you Warlcok class buffs for an Ophidians nerf. These are the terms.

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              • If warlocks get anything good in Lightfall, it’ll be nerfed immediately. Mark my words.

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                • Sutter Caneにより編集済み: 10/30/2022 9:18:54 PM
                  NOPE I AS A HUNTER MAIN WHO HAS NEVER USED AND NEVER WILL USE THE WARLOCK SAYS THEY ARE THE BESTEST MOST AWESOMENESS CLASS THAT I REFUSE TO USE BC THEY ARE TOO GOOD AND BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO GOOD EVERYONE HAS INTEGRITY AND DON'T WANT TO USE AN OP CLASS BC IT WOULD BE UNFAIR! THAT IS WHY EVERYONE USES HUNTERS BC THEY ARE THE WORST CLASS AND EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE THE GAME FAIR. Look at the Lightfall reveal. Look at what Bungie did for Warlocks. They took zero time to animate new moves they just used the most awesomeness animations they've rehashed since D1. How cool is that for the Warlocks? And what did they do for the poor helpless Hunters that everyone uses? They were going to make the spiderman swing only for us bc it's not like we don't have a -blam!- plethora of options do we Bungie? Too many options, most would say it's overwhelming. Then they screw us poor Hunter mains by developing a new roaming super where they give us a rope dart, making us look like a kung fu master. Sheesh, WE GET IT BUNGIE you think Hunters are the worst! We Hunter mains see right thru your ploy. You even rigged the vote in favor of watlocks, making them come in last in the Guardian Games. As if we didn't know. Please stop making the Hunters look so terrible, Bungie! How about you work on your other Classes & "HELP THEM." Stop making the Hunters look so awful that everyone flocks to use them & make the Warlock terrible instead.

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                  • Gonna downvote just because you linked to an idiot.

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                    • No king reigns forever! I like it that the other classes get some cool stuff. For a super king time it felt like it was nothing but Warlocks. Then it felt like it was morning but Hunters. Now it’s a nice mix, and I love it!

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                      • Round 2 of the dark age for warlocks, begins.. sigh

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                        • The supers aren’t super is my only criticism but I’m not worried as warlock is a beast at gunplay and abilities. It’s by far my favourite class and doesn’t need touching in my opinion.

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                        • I’m assuming you’re taking about PvP or at least I hope you are. Stasis and solar locks are S tier for PvE so I’m going to assume you’re talking about PvP. In my experience, to make Warlock strong in PvP you have to synergize your load out, armor mod set up, stat distribution AND weapons. You have to know how it all works together and stick to the classes strengths. If you do that you can top frag regularly in 6’s. IMO

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                          • Bump. Warlocks need improvement particularly in solar and arc. Arc in general isn't bad but it desperately needs a super buff. Solar needs an overhaul. Merge heat rises and icarus dash and return pheonix dive to its previous state. If you're not going to merge the aspects make pheonix dive part of one of them.

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                          • This is exactly what I was going to post but how much do you want to bet most people are going to say stop posting YouTube videos and think for yourself

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                          • Not watching that moron.

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                          • Aren't all Warlock's the same size?

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                            • I disagree. I like my warlock for both pve and pvp. And the arc lock does slap in pvp. Just have to play passive aggressive.

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                              • Seems like it's more of an Arc Titan and Void Hunter problem. I want to see Bungie start by nerfing the extreme outliers. When things settle down after the nerfs, if Warlock is still being underutilized, I definately think it should be buffed. I don't know how the nerfs or buffs should look, but these usage rates suck

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                                • Skill issue.

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