One question. They said that they won' vault anything. Some comments says that it is thanks to soby buying Bengoi, others says that it is because they upgraded (this is the only word I could come up with) the engine. Regardless of the case, if vaulting is never happening again: Don't you think that some stuff could be unvaulted? I am talking from a technical point of view.

[quote]I truly dont care how its done but find a way to return everything, pvp maps and modes, strikes, raids, destinations, weapons etc. the game feels so dead and dry without these…[/quote] They've already said the dcv is going away. This stuff takes months to years to implement. Why are people still complaining about the dcv *now*. They can't just snap their fingers and make the dcv go away instantly. Just wait for it.

Imagine how insane the content drop would be for those who didn’t play d2 till beyond light 5 new raids, strikes, gambit and pvp maps

It was a combination of the DCV and seasonal model. Activision was right. The seasonal model should not have been implemented.

I don’t blame it all on dcv but beyond light basically killed the game for me I would have rather had another curse of osiris than beyond light

They should have made D3 on a new engine instead of vaulting so much. Especially bad vaulting ritual gear that cost money

Won't happen cause they are actively re-selling us everything we paid for already. They are double or even triple dipping and milking their loyal playerbase to the maximum. Remember buying D1 and getting eyasluna? Then buying D2 and buying D2 season of oppulence to get austringer (which is eyasluna)? Then they sunset said austringer. Then buying the 30th anniversary dungeon for actual eyasluna? And then buying season of the haunted to be able to obtain a non sunset austringer AGAIN??? That's what Bungie is. Scum. If this game was entirely free to play from the start and even seasons were completely free, while their entire monetization would revolve purely around cosmetics, i would agree, they can delete and return whatever they want. BUT we paid for every single DLC AND season that gets deleted and essentially robbed from us annualy. I don't know a single other dev who does that. Noone besides Bungie is THAT scummy. And everyone trying to defend it, lay off your rose tinted glasses you addict. What Bungie does, should simply be forbidden by law.

Going off your title, Bungie is literally responsible for ruining destiny 2. 1, Bungie put someone that had no experience being a lead to run a sequel. I'm still lost to this day on how a AAA gaming company would ever do this. So, with all that damage done to destiny 2 when it launched, it led Bungie up to this day 6+ years later constantly changing things, making matters worse as time moves on. 2, Anyone that had experience with destiny that could have actually improved this game Bungie either fired them, they quit or Bungie removed them to work on Matter. Not to mention Activision took most of their talent working on this game as well when they left. That actually hurt Destiny despite what anyone thinks about Activision which provided a lot of resources that was a benefit to the game. 3, Destiny wasn't designed to be built around a shop. It wasn't until D2 that Bungie showed their true self, well, this Bungie, not the original Bungie that at least had some respect for their player base. I remember how many blamed Activision for the shop being in this game, how "Activision forced them", the funny thing is, adding something like this to a game has to be a mutual agreement and both parties have to sign a contract in front of a judge. The joke was actually on the fans that blamed Activision because Activision has been gone for about 3 years now and that shop/monetization has tripled since they left. 4, "F2P" was the worst thing to happen to destiny when it comes to the game's structure, the experience playing the game, the content added to the game, and the very poor story writing with these seasons, etc. The game story leaves you disconnected. 5, This is a huge flaw in this game. Bungie put streamers way above the entire player base that was a hand in helping Bungie ruin the game because they were bored, complaining about how things were too easy and that there was nothing for them to do in the game. Never mind that streamers literally built their life around the game to make a living that 99.99% of the player base has not done nor wasn't to. That's their problem, not the player base's problem, and their lives shouldn't ever reflect on any game but it has. They chose this life, that is on them and they need to stop running things for everyone else. It's very rear that you see streamers work together and look out for the best interests of the player base/game. 6, P2P, and an outdated engine that has major issues. There is no need to add anything else to that. Yet, Bungie blames the player base and the amount of content added to the game for certain issues. What's interesting is how somehow magically they are going to be able to not vault content anymore. Is there a huge update that I mess that I need to download for this overhaul??? These are just the main things that stick out to me that has ruined destiny. When destiny was being designed by the original Bungie you could at least see they had their player base in mind. Today it's all about what Bungie wants and that is one of the most unhealthy things to ever happen to this game.

They cant. Ppl think the DCV was for HDD space, it wasnt. The destiny franchise as a whole was built on the same engine bungie used to make halo. Both D1 and D2. D1 was pushing the engines limits when it launched, now its just duct taped together just to hold D2. The engine would take HOURS just to load a PvP map to make minor changes. And even with the most recent "update" to the engine it wont be long until theyll have to vault more content again. They CANT bring that old stuff back, not in any major capacity at once because it would tank the engine. We didnt lose content we paid for to clear up HDD space, we lost content we paid for because bungie went cheap with D1 and stayed cheap with D2.

Destinations and activites nobody played are fine to be removed. What I don't understand are strikes and crucible maps. Especially when our current pool of maps and strikes is so low Edit: And raids. Could've easily had more rotating weekly raids

Raids no one played

They had to because the engine took up to 10 hours to load a map just to move a pillar 2 metres and get out of that map (Read exemployee reviews). This isn't a thing with other gaming companies hense why DCV is unique and no one else does it. It's because they use an engine from pre-2004 Halo that was already coming close to its limits with Halo as simple as that game was in comparison to Destiny 2. But Activision put in the contract (Google the contract and read for yourself) Bungie HAD to use their own engine for D1, couldn't use anything like Unreal, cause things like Unreal charge a small amount of the sales and Activision is greedy. But Bungie didn't have time to make a brand new engine and get Destiny 1 out on time so they pulled out this old outdated engine. The more and more demanding the game became the worse it got. Hense why they said in Lightfall reveal "we upgraded our engine so there will not be anymore DLC vaulted". They upgraded it with Beyond Light but it didn't do much. There is only so much updating you can do when the engine itself just isn't good anymore. All evidence points to them getting a new engine for Matter that they finally finished building from scratch, and is compatible with preexisting Destiny coding, hense the promise to not vault anymore DLCs. As for what was already vaulted, it is unlikely to be unvaulted before this saga ends anyways. Which is a horrible experience for new players. Not only do you get this new game and have to do a tutorial with the most boring character of all time, Shaw. But all the stories are based on things you don't understand. Like who is Oryx or Crota? Why does Savathun no longer have memories? What is the traveler? What do they mean Mara hurt Savathun before this? Who is Gual and what is The Last City? Who is Calus? The Witness? The questions for a New Light outweigh the information they are capable of learning in game cause who buys a game and wants to watch hours of YouTube? Games, all of them, are made so if you jump in later, the story is still entertaining and welcoming. Whether it be Gears 5, Borderlands 3, etc etc. But Destiny was made so you have to be there for the story to understand the new story, but the old story is vaulted so sucks to suck.

Also people misunderstood when they said the game is getting to big. It was getting to big for the engine to load stuff on their side, NOT that the game on our side is too many GBs. Hense why they said the game is getting too big SERVER SIDE. Go back and read it for yourself you missed the server side aka their side part of it. Games like Red Dead. Gears. GTA. Halo. Call Of Duty. So many games are bigger. They never meant too many GBs in our harddrive. They meant their engine is old and couldn't take anymore, reread it. See my comment explaining this already.

Returning five year old content to the game won’t fix that. Besides the limitations of last Gen console made it necessary, if we wanted new activities.

DCV and Sunsetting are two seperate things The DCV was necessary to allow for new content to be created at a faster rate Sunsetting was necessary for... I don't actually remember why sunsetting was necessary

There isn't a way, that's the point of the dcv lol

Dress sim greed, repetitive activities, ignored activities, neglected staples and so on, runied D2. Tbh, I think the game has always struggled for fun ever since we first got to taste D2's initial vision. Sparse PvE, woeful PvP, fully stocked EV.