Ok...give some examples. What titan and hunter abilities are overwhelming. Because everyone has every grenade... So it must be a melee that overwhelms you.

That’s a weird way of letting us know you suck at pvp

There is no bad class, every one can be OP it relies entirely on the person playing it. For example I haven't mained warlock since vanilla D2 so I'm bad at it in PvP now meanwhile one of the guys I run trials with never stopped maining warlock and can absolutely dominate PvP yet if they load up their hunter or titan they're gonna do bad.

True, but what good are they in pve? I mean seriously, I’d take a full team of warlocks for a raid any day. Since crota hunters are basically pointless outside of shooting things and all 3 classes can shoot stuff. Bubble isn’t worth a crap anymore and the only thing barricades are good for is blocking your target from you. Titan supers can put out good damage so they are more useful than hunters and we can get debuffs other ways so shadowshot isn’t important. BUT both are way better at pvp.

I think that warlock abilities are OK, but there is an issue with them in pvp, they're almost all about movement, set up or defensive, and warlock rift animation is still painfull Whereas titans are pointed towards fast & easy kills Which would be fine if there wasn't so much ohk weapons abilities and short ttk Warlocks: Icarus dash - movement Rifts - static, heal or buff Hhsn - nerfed to oblivion Pocket sand - debuff & push Void soul - follow up damage Penumbral - freeze Solar Grenade buff aspect - doesn't even make fusions ohk Even our best pvp exotics only enhance neutral game, ophidians & transversives Hunters and titans though have multiple ohk abilities particularly when you add in their exotics. However, warlocks won't be getting better anytime soon. Bungie only ever nerf warlock abilities. Even when they give warlocks a buff they also apply nerfs. And the community at large being hunter & titans in pvp will also argue that warlocks are great, should be left alone etc and if a warlock ability does ohk it will be nerfed after the outcry from the "community" just like hhsn. Can warlocks be good? Yes but it takes a lot of work. So as much as I don't like saying it, if you want easy access to ohk abilities and an easier pvp experience. Go with a different class. Maybe once there are no warlocks in pvp bungie will do something about it 🤷‍♂️ (Sorry for the long post)

Upvote. This is facts. Yes you can do good on a warlock, yes you can absolutely destroy with a awarlock, but it takes a lot more effort. Some examples what the other classes do better in my opinion. Counter to everyone bringing up the warlock arc melee: Warlock melee needs a slide to activate, you can get shotgunned out of it, even standard meleed out of it. You can one shot grouped up people if the don t kill you first, but you have the chain delay which often results in trades. Only available on one subclass Titan: 1.) Balllistic slam: Negative: needs to be in air to activate Positive: big Aoe damage, one shots instantly upon hit. Deadly af with two exotics (dune and synto). Super fast, cover a lot of ground fast. Higher risk/reward 2.) Shoulder charge: Almost oneshots, can one shot with exotic (peregrines). Doubles as movement ability, blinds /suppresses / burns on hit. Hunter: Arc melee blinds disorients on hit, flicks your aim some direction, very hard to win melee fights against. Throwing knifes one shot / burn / lay around as traps Smoke grenades: Slow, "blind", ping radar, remove radar, lay as traps, damage, make you invis,.... It is not that warlocks arw useless, but they have way less options and versatility. I think if people were honest, they would admit that titan and hunters have more synergy and more tactics (and some straight up more powerful abilities) going on than warlocks in pvp. But since most sweaty players play triple hunter stacks or the new 2 titan / 1 hunter or triple behemoth setup, we won't be heard because we just get downvoted to oblivion.

Awww the warlock isn't the best pvp class.. no but seriously the titan class does have way to much going on

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Examples?

Um, ever heard of healing rifts? They’re quite good. Also, freeze rift, freeze melee, new ABSURD arc melee, Icarus dash, celestial fire, void boop melee. All very good abilities. Warlocks are fine.

Are you kidding? Warlocks can literally fly across the map like an ac130 gunship and destroy whole teams from the sky.

Warlocks don’t have overwhelming abilities? Really? Because all I have seen aside from Bubble Titans were Wellocks and Stormcallers with Dead Messenger.

Your joking right? Do you even build into your warlock armor or aspects? I've built my warlock into discipline, recovery, and resistance. Almost every other fight I have my grenade. With my recovery being max 100, every fight I get into I have my rift. Now there is a build for arc allowing you to have your melee back for your second fight. Build into your warlock, use exotics to help your build and if it doesn't workout or you find a better exotic. Tweak it out to perfection.

Well I was able "sew" myself through this whole post, the mental trek that it was. Warlock abilities are fine. If anything, abilities as a whole need a nerf in up time so that guns can shine. Less uptime = less whining about abilities being bad. There. Solved it. I accept paypal, venmo, cashapp, and probably any other money app. You're welcs.

Uh stasis warlock is one of the best classes in game. Novabomb/warp is kinda cheeks but I've seen people decimate with them. Dawn blade is still viable, it got a bit of a nerf, but doesn't mean it's not good. Well is great for 3v3 type scenarios. Arc lock has alot going for it, but the supers are lacking. Stasis warlock is superior across the board. Honestly I think it just comes down to exotics. More so than anything.

No one will agree with you when 80% are hunter and titan.

Warlocks aren't just flat outclassed by Hunter or Titan in pvp. At all. They do have a bit more of a learning curve to them that the others don't. There are more moving parts involved. With those being said, warlocks can benefit from a buff or two in PvP without causing much of a problem.

You give us snow people a bad name

The warlock arc attack is crazy good