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Or it's just part of the cycle. There are other prophecies taking place as well. All of this really doesn't matter, there's a reason they called it Destiny, not Guardians or The Sol Wars. The witness isn't inherently bad, it's just a part of the cycle. These things have to happen, and soon I'm sure y'all will learn who the witness truly is...why it looks the way it does. It's not really going to be death, it's just another energy state, and it's why both calus' and witness state we will be fruitless against them. Imagine you've seen this end, to the letter, happen billions and billions to infinity times, and seen Elsie's dark future too. The light and dark saga will end, we will be paracausal without the need of either dogma, and go about setting in motion our victory over both entities after the final shape (which will lead up to us finding out how to achieve it).
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In what way is the witness bad? The end of everything is bad? When it's just part of a cycle? Winter isn't inherently evil because it kills off life...it's just a cycle. Meet the cycle, though don't get me wrong, it may have seen the wrong cycle.
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Ok, you see that as bad, you're allowed to. Thing is essentially your guardian has no absolute proof that it is here to kill all. Also, what if the death of all made way for a better form of reality. Saint killed crap tons of eliksni...honestly, plenty of beings on both sides of the isle are genocidal maniacs. The vex even see the benefit of having dualism in the divisive. Me personally, I'm going to wait, I don't think it's an end that is death of existence by its hands, just a step to it.
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[quote]In what way is the witness bad? The end of everything is bad? When it's just part of a cycle?[/quote] Yes. The Witness isn’t some force of nature. He had a beginning and he will have an end. He is inherently evil, winter is a force of nature, but willingly killing trillions if not more sentient beings is wrong. The Winnower is a force of nature. Just as The Gardener is. I believe The Gardener could easily defeat The Witness, we know that The Winnower and The Gardener are basically counterparts, both playing a game. The Witness is not The Winnower, so obviously he is a lesser being.
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Ok, in the grand scheme of the universe, it killing trillions, could lead to a better peace. It lead rhulk to kill an entire planet, on their faces...relief, leading rhulk to find relief. A train going down the tracks, two paths are available, one side with three beings you will kill, the other with one. Initially you move to the one to save three, only one of the three ends up killing hundreds if not thousands. Your existence is preceded with an ungodly amount of death, if one of those deaths had changed, you may not have ever been a thought...then again if you found out that so much death would lead to your existence, and you had a choice, what decision would you make? What if your existence would allow something grand to take place, does it affect your decision then? What I'm getting at here is there is a shape (design), or so much so that The Witness, Osiris, Calus, and psions believe they know the end of it. So what if you found out that the witness killing trillions led to humanity being freed from the shackles of life and death...they just exist without the definition of existence affecting their reality. The witness could be a force of nature, we don't know if it is an avatar for a being that designed the universe. If Savvy described it as the child of darkness, that story could mimic the bible...God and Jesus...just an example, don't want to go religious. But, I'm also the person that thinks the Witness is an avatar for the Warmind who is peering into the shape of the universe through the anomaly. If that is the case, all this is to exert it's will over the universe, to be that all-seeing savior it claims...and us saying we are more than a design of a machine...only to later submit and become machines in the God. Asimovs AI, Roko's Basilisk.
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The witness/winnower are not forces of nature. Forces of nature are not paracausual. A force of nature is unrelated and can’t be stoped, only weathered. An entity however can be stoped, an entity can bleed, and an entity can be killed.
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I wanted to kind of touch up on what I was trying to convey. I'm not saying that life exists within my reality because of me, if anything I feel it should be the other way around. I am saying that if I could see what could happen, that it was awesome, but it had so much death, so much hate that predicated its existence...I would take it. That's heavy, we aren't just talking about genocide at that point, we are talking stuff that makes us question if we should even exist. This kind of thinking, a destined path, is what I'm trying to figure out in my notes.
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I’m glad you explored this more. I honestly took you the wrong way in that last reply. In my opinion it would be very different in that hypothetical moment, I assume you’d see all the death your existence would cause and in that moment, seeing all those people die, I think you’d have a much different opinion. Would you, in all honesty, watch billions of people die and then let them have that fate for (for what we know) an only slightly better future? Elaborate more on destined path?
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As far as destined path, we are playing a game called destiny, and we have all these being spouting prophecy. I know people think the final shape is humanity or the guardian, while I see it as an explanation of everything. Ok, I'm going to get kinda biblical...but it's not to preach, I look at it differently than what I was originally taught. Let's say you have God. Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, blah blah blah, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. And it is all-good, everything it does and creates is good...even if it kills it's creation, even if it tortures it's creation, it is all-good. How? The usual answer because you exist you get to be part of it, even the crap 😶🤔 that's kinda mean actually. But that's kind of narrow of us, that's what we see at ground level, a moment in the expanse of eternity...what if it did all this, to help us understand and appreciate life. There is a lot more to that, why I talk about the infinite nothing holding everything together, every moment is created and destroyed in less than time in terms of Planck's time, it is superluminal. I can't help but wonder what the guardian thought when they touched an orb and was instantly in the garden talking to themselves but not themselves. From there, they only know the name the witness, something calling themselves savior; while we, viewing their existence, interacting with it, know the shape...of that infinite forehead. Like I said, there is a whole lot, and I only have a phone to type on...threw the computer in the garage and left it there. So I try to do these things in spurts, cause I also hate being on this thing too much...especially in front of the wife, she'll get suspicious, and I ain't about that -blam!-...
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That's a very long thought...destined path...Destiny in general. As far as watching death, pain, and suffering for only a slightly better future...nah. I'm talking awesome. No knowledge of the design after choosing it, living life like normal, then bam! the universe reveals itself, our entire perspective, our entire nature, our philosophies shift...and we become more, we become better. Yeah, I'll finish when I get home.
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Ok. Myself, currently, I know pain, I scream obscenities when I stub my toe; so no I don't want that in existence because I don't want to picture or imagine how much pain genocide causes. But I go back to... In the grand scale, sure. If I knew it was for something incredible, sure. If I had to choose all the deaths that have happened, so I may live, well...I chose to live to experience existence. I may not see the design of reality on this plane of existence, but since there is an infinitely small nothing holding it all together, I am part of it... Not all my experiences are awesome good... When I experience the good, I am floored...(watching my wife cry with sheer joy, when all seemed against us, and we overcame that hardship...I saw how beautiful bad things make good experiences). Would write more...but don't need anyone getting pissy I'm on my phone.
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[quote]Traveler infected by darkness essentially means game over for us and the universe[/quote] No it doesn’t. Who says it can’t be undone? We aren’t powerless without the Light. We still have Darkness power. We could cleanse the big shard in the EDZ and use that to heal the Traveler.
