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8/6/2022 2:11:29 AM
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All I hear is people green with envy taking a victory lap before the mode comes out.
What will you say when that dude spanks you again?
Wouldn’t start trash talking just yet.
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Animal Motherにより編集済み: 8/6/2022 3:01:49 AMI gave him credit but the way he plays is based on gimmicks. Literally just run around invis with a shotgun. If I didn’t have any pride I’d play the same way. The new mode highlights people like that and let’s the whole other team know where he’s at at all times until he... jumps off a cliff 🤷🏻♂️. I bet we will see a lot of 5 kds for sure.. as someone else mentioned here it’s more advantageous to jump off a cliff after 5 if that resulted in denying the other team points. Is it chickenshit? Yes but it will probably happen
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That’s a whole lot of assuming. Why wouldn’t a high skill player used gimmicks in stomp lobbies? They aren’t trying to prove anything by beating you normal style. Never have I seen real good players care about that stuff, they want to win Makes their matches quicker, so if anything, there is incentive for them to do so. That’s why I wouldn’t celebrate yet. Wait till it plays out.
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Unless their new matchmaking scheme makes a difference, tons of players will only do crucible the bare minimum amount to complete seasonal triumphs. Even in their so called 'SBMM' playlist it's a stomp fest.
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That’s due to good players resetting their ranks. Not the best sbmm system out there, a looping system like that. But then again, bad players get stomped by average players. So personal experience isn’t the best indicator. That sounds like what players have been doing for years. Playing the minimum and expecting to be able to beat pvp mains. Lot of wasted time not improving and just waiting for the game to coddle.
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Lots of wasted time? I'm good enough to clock about a 1.2 true k/d minimum across all shooters. If I play 7 games in glory, and only 1 of them was anywhere near close, then it doesn't matter if I'm on the winning or losing side. It's no fun being thrown against a team that stomps, or sinking a team thrown against me. Which is why I say it depends on their new matchmaking changes.
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If you don’t like winning, that’s on you. If you don’t like losing, pvp isn’t for you. I don’t think it’ll be as helpful as people think and that’s my point. People standing around waiting to be coddled instead of improving on their own. But hey, y’all are the ones with complaints. Not me. You only hurt yourselves.
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Who said anything about not liking winning or losing? I like having an evenly matched game, where smart plays and personal skill matters. I don't like a 1 sided stomp fest, where my entire team goes flawless, or the enemy team 1-mans my entire fireteam effortlessly. That's not an environment in which anyone can improve. Any other opinions on that are legitimately ignorant.
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[quote]it doesn't matter if I'm on the winning or losing side. It's no fun being thrown against a team that stomps, or sinking a team thrown against me. [/quote] Looks like you did. That said, it’s rather ignorant to talk like every match is a blowout. There are some and at times you get might a streak. Or To think it’s sole the fault of mm and not lazy players. But hey you do you. Cry until you can’t cry anymore. See where that gets you. 🤷
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I'm speaking from personal experience. Far too many threads over the past 2 years about how iron banner is always a stomp fest. I'm not interested in an occasional streak. I'm interested in matches with people around my skill level. But you don't seem to understand that, willfully or otherwise.
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MC 077 Lasombraにより編集済み: 8/7/2022 5:44:34 AMOh yeah cause you’ve never seen people ignore the control points which causes the other team to get easy hunts? There is almost as many posts of players whining about inept players in IB as there are lobby balance posts. The only willful ignorance here is yours. Yakking like mm is the only cause of problems. Have fun with that.
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When even Bungie admits that there is a problem with their matchmaking based on the number of mercy rulings in matches, it's not me 'yakking about matchmaking'. People complain about how Destiny players don't know how to play objective gamemodes. Maybe that's because all the objective gamemodes got removed years ago. Control is just TDM with a point modifier. I've literally been in games where my team held all three points, and still lost due to such massive skill gaps that the opposing team didn't even care to cap. But then again, you're definitely a more casual pvp player than I, so I find your opinions to be on their face hilarious. And I hate pvp, so that's saying something. Maybe if you played more than 2 Trials matches, then you'd know more about what you're talking about.
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Of course there is skill disparity. That’s what happens when people only play 3 games a week and think they can tussle with pvp mains. Of course, ignore how a score modifier can lead to blowouts so you don’t have to admit players are the main problem in pvp. Whose the casual pvp player again? The guy who knows how pvp works or the person who ignores how it works to whine? Thanks for showing us which you are. Oh and btw, if you’re getting stomped when you’re in full control, you’re not as good as you think you are. Little pro tip for free.
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Obviously the more casual pvp player is the one that plays less, and is less skilled at, pvp. I guess you don't care about getting stomped by sweats, based on your opinions and your match history. But good to know you're completely against any sort of ranking or skill based matchmaking system for balancing. Everyone should just get better, right? Just like how you aren't actually a good pvp player? If you were a sweat, at least you'd have that going for you, but you play about as much crucible as somebody like me, and you do worse than me. Keep in mind that as long as your account is linked to your Bungie profile, people can and will look you up.
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Yet I seem to understand how something as simple as Control works, whereas you don’t. So seems like that time and effort hasn’t paid off for you at all. Yeah, I don’t cry when I lose. Amazing how that’s unusual these days. Who said I’m against sbmm? That’s right, I never did. So go ahead and make a strawman argument. All I’m doing is telling you all that getting better is going to do more then any mm system will. Which is 100% fact, you don’t get better without effort. What, you mad I called you on your silly dismissal of the objective and it’s impact? I understand, that must of been embarrassing when trying to flex. Hard to call someone’s opinion irrelevant when they understand basic mechanics better then you… And even more embarrassing when you try citing that players stats. You had zero reason to get that wrong but your butthurt got the better of you and you flubbed. Wanna keep trying?
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"Getting better is going to make a bigger impact" You know, you'd be right if you listened to anything I said previously. The current crucible environment is not conducive to getting better. They're is no opportunity to practice. This isn't overwatch, where you have ranked matches, you can improve your skills and work your way up the ladder. This is destiny, where their idea of balancing is just making sure the top 1 and 4 players are on one team, with 2 and 3 on the other. They don't account for the skill gap between 1, 4, or 12. So no, I'm not strawmaning anything. I'm pointing out the state of crucible, what would need to change for people like me to play more, and then pointing out how your activity in crucible demonstrates how disconnected your skill level is from your opinion.
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MC 077 Lasombraにより編集済み: 8/9/2022 9:28:36 PM[quote][b][i][u]You know, you'd be right if you listened to anything I said previously. The current crucible environment is not conducive to getting better. They're is no opportunity to practice.[/u][/i][/b][/quote] There you are making excuses to not practice. Claiming there is no opportunity when there are [i]private matches[/i]? Playlists you can go in as a team and play against others? Despite the fact you make friends and a clan and set up practices whenever the heck you please? There’s “no opportunity to practice”, says the elite middling player… Either you’ve never seen the Destination screen for Crucible or your against practice. So which is? Are you even more ignorant about the game then you’ve demonstrated or are you just a silly goose? But hey, how about you show me where I blamed my teammates for my losses… 😎 Thanks for trying Silly Goose!
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~Infected~ Flack41940により編集済み: 8/9/2022 11:41:45 PM[quote]Tell me where I said anything against practising.[/quote] [quote]You know, you'd be right if you listened to anything I said previously. The current crucible environment is not conducive to getting better. They're is no opportunity to practice.[/quote] Yup, you're off the deep end, buddy. That's not against practising, that is pointing out that if the vast majority of your games are steamrolls, you don't have the opportunity to practice. And private matches? Really? You think the casual pvpers that would benefit the most from practising have access to enough friends their skill level to be able to put together a private lobby? This, once again, isn't overwatch. There is no reward to performing better. You sound just like the kind of boss that would say that rolling your vehicle on the way in to work is no excuse for being late. But I've made my point multiple times over. You have fun.
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That’s making excuses for [i]refusing[/i] to practice instead of using the silver platter that’s in your hands. Nah, I played in clans for years. Back during the days when you had to find people to play with the hard way, playing against/with them and friending them. Destiny is my retirement. You know what clans are right? Friends? The in game friend list on top of the platform friend? The platform exclusive game based social boards that are always filled with players looking for others? The Destiny app itself? Limitless communication and open advertising for parties for all activities or goals; all in your hand. No, I’m not a boss that accepts a valid excuse like having an accident. I mean your analogy is so gross disproportionate is shows how silly your headspace is. I’m just a boss who doesn’t take laziness for the sake of laziness as an excuse. Nowadays their isn’t anymore excuses for not having people to play with.
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MC 077 Lasombraにより編集済み: 8/8/2022 2:57:05 PMBeing right doesn’t require agreeing with you. So thanks for admitting that up front. You’re entire argument is a strawman, ‘every match is so unfair you can never improve. Players have no obligation to improve on their own, they should have their hand held’ That’s the biggest load of crap I’ve heard. Next to ‘I only lost because my controller didn’t work right’ This ‘every game is a blowout’ is nonsense. It’s funny you mentioned my stats. Like I can’t look up yours or the others who whine. So who are you trying to fool? You barely play pvp anyway. Hardly hit double digit games on most [i]months[/i]. You’ve tapered off a lot in the last year. Shocker you have trouble, part timer. Yeah, this isn’t Overwatch. You need to put in some effort. Weaker players need practice and a team. Haven’t met a team based pvp game where practice and a team wasn’t central to doing well in pvp. Destiny isn’t any different. The most challenging pvp modes are what? Trials and IB. What happened to those modes? Freelance. Why? Cause y’all are too inept and lazy to form a team and practice. You get rolled by everyone whose half smart and does so. 🤷 Thanks for playing. You add this L with the rest you got.
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Well, it's good to know that you've just reinforced your 'get gud' position. It's also funny how you've taken extremely poor internet arguments and tries to apply them here. I can say that most matches I play are one sides stomps, because they are. If you wanted to, while you were inspecting my game history, you could have checked out the 7 glory matches I played. You would have noticed that the closest match was 4-2. That was the single closest. All the rest were 4-1 or 4-0, regardless of whether I won or lost. I was also the best on my team, or tied for best, for 5 of those 7 matches. So your attempts to say I just suck don't really hold water. And that's in the glory playlist, the only playlist with any sort of attempt at SBMM. That's saying something. Also, I would just like to point out that the person actively trying to claim victory in a forum debate, unprompted and completely out of the blue multiple times, is probably trying to compensate for something. I'm not here to 'win'. I'm here to communicate how the crucible matchmaking changes might make a difference, but that remains to be seen.
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Learn to read. I said the new mm will help just not as much as people think. I’ll always stand on the position that player effort yields more rewards. You meanwhile, insist it’s solely due to mm and not to lazy players. Making excuses. Typical. You’re also at the bottom of the glory ranks. So you’re at best, tied with bottom tier players. Congrats? But since you don’t understand how glory works, I’ll break it down for you. Glory’s sbmm has a flaw with resetting ranks, putting high skilled back into lower ranks until they rank up. Which is compounded by the lower engagement from the average skilled player, weighting it towards mains. In other words, because lower skilled players avoid sbmm in glory, the playlist is populated by more higher skilled players. So the reset aspect is what hinders Glory’s bottom ranks. Again, I seem to understand how Destiny pvp works better then you. What a shocker. You tried flexing on me pal. So don’t get mad when you fail and I don’t. Learn how Destiny pvp works then try again. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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For somebody that seems to claim so much about how glory matchmaking works, you conveniently forgot rank, and your own point of how many crucible matches I actually play in a season. Meaning your attempted stab at my skill level doesn't mean anything at all. I've quite happily maintained an average of 1.12-1.2 true k/d across my entire gaming career. Meaning I am at best, a middling to upper middling player. I'm not making claims to great skill. I do find it funny, however, that you choose to place the blame on lazy/bad teammates. Blaming your teammates has always traditionally been the mark of a player with a bad attitude. If you were to have a system that matched people in similar skill groups, then you could start pointing out how you've been leading every team you've been on. But until the matchmaking is in a better place, you blaming bad teammates for losses just reflects poorly on you. Or, in your own words, maybe you should just get better if that's your problem.
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Oh and the next time you think flexing stats means an opinion is valid, remember, the better players think the mm system is just fine. So by your own logic, as they are the better players, they are right and you are wrong. So you failed in multiple ways, congrats on being great at failing. Have fun playing mental gymnastics with that one! 😂
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Actually, you’re the one blaming bad teammates for your losses when you whine about poor mm leading to blowouts and your losses despite “tying” for first on your team and being such a great middling player. Whose the one propping themselves up and blaming their teammates again? Oh right, that’s you! 🤦 What a pathetic attempt to twist things. God that’s just so freaking sad. That you came up with a such a bad response you end up condemning your own behavior but delivered it with such ignorant arrogance. What a joke! You insulted yourself! Good work! Keep it coming! I’m saving this thread.
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Dude. Did I ever once disparage the people I was matched alongside? I merely pointed out that despite your claims that I'm a cruddy teammate, I was the best performing member. You make claims of mental gymnastics when you're all over the place yourself. You're the one blaming bad games on lazy and inferior players, not me. I just pointed out how current matchmaking is detrimental to everyone that isn't a highly skilled player looking to steamroll, and how I doubt the matchmaking changes will be enough to account for that. You say people should work to get better, when you're literally the 'cruddy teammate' you're blaming everything on. Then you go off on some rant about strawmen when I point out that the current matchmaking system is completely opposite to a learning environment. At this point I'm fairly certain that you're just a casual troll that spends more time on the forums than playing the game, considering you have two damn near untouched characters, and are nowhere special on your main. You want to claim that might make right? If so, then I think you should really up your game. If you don't hardly play, then why should anyone take your opinion seriously? The changes won't affect you. Still entertaining that you're so focused on claiming victory when this isn't about winning or losing. It's just basic facts, and other than the one point we actually agree on, I haven't seen you put out a single one.
