And we had it in the game 3 times and you know. Timmy in America was on my skill level and on paper it was fair. Its just that it really wasn't because he was lagging all over the place and surviving shots he shouldn't have survived Go sbmm

I'll save my judgements on Bungie's version of "loose sbmm" until I have experienced it myself. It can't get any worse than the current system, but that isn't saying much.

Ugh, look- at this point, it's just common fact, regardless if you don't think so, or if you do. SBMM or CBMM, both are [b]utter garbage[/b], but they do have benefits. SB allows for more games to occur to see of your teammates aren't incompetent, and you actually have a chance to win. However, the games take longer to matchmake because of that, and also connection will most likely be horrible. CB takes out any people with not great, or really bad connections, including switchers. It also makes matchmaking faster. But, in opposition to SB, your faced with incompetent teammates, and sweaty enemy teams. or it could be the opposite, it's usually one or the other. Both can be good, just not in [b] Destiny's PVP[/b]. Simply put, Crucible? Garbage, and be my guest and fight me all you want if you disagree. I could care, because the fact is there. Regardless of which state of matchmaking is chosen, there will always be problems in Crucible. Only proof I'll give you, to you "Shotgun Apes" a Shotgun logically should not be able to fire across a large distance, and kill, even if the spread is controlled, or if it's a slug shotgun. Fusion Rifles will always be annoying, regardless if you like them or not. ([i]Looking at you Telesto..[/i] ಠ_ಠ) Hand Cannons are always overpowered when combined with specific perks, or just because it fan fires, it doesn't matter. Pulses, Submachine Guns, Lack of power in Autos, [b]my lord[/b], the list will go on. So regardless of which one people want for themselves, or what they think is better- [b][i][u][spoiler]The true answer is that Crucible sucks toxic waste, and you all know it, whenever you wanna admit it or not, because no game can truly get PVP correct, balance-wise.[/spoiler][/u][/i][/b] That's all from me. Didn't ask for it? [i]Me either, yet here we are.[/i]

I don't know why people are soooo against SBMM, especially with the "trying to get free wins and handouts" argument from that one guy who commented more than once. SBMM is applied to all skill levels, so I don't get how it's "trying to get free wins". I like to think of SBMM this way: If people will "scold" a player for attempting GMs/Master raids when they're obviously not ready for it, why should a player with a low pvp skill set be matched against players with high pvp skills?

You do know it’ll make it easier to match against laggers right?

I’m glad sbmm is coming back, cause I can focus on my own betterment vs having to look after the new players or the less skilled ones so they can learn to use what they like and choose what they want to do But to the sweats and try hard and the serious players Don’t try. That’s the literally the answer Don’t try as hard, don’t take the game seriously, don’t sweat Think was the game having issues with trying to find matches cause of the matchmaking? No you basically broke the gamemode Grouping up in groups and spamming the best load outs for the easiest wins My answer, stop using the meta and if you want to play together play custom games, if your really interested on just playing, you should not care if you don’t get loot, since you want to play together, not win or get loot

For who? If these laggy as shite connections now are prioritized cbmm, how you think those loose sbmm connections are going to be, when you face people from a different continent?

We face enough lag with CBMM, why make it even worse? Until we get dedicated servers, SBMM won't work.

What???? SBMM? Git good bruh! Destiny isn't a game- it's a social commentary on life! FUN?! YOU MUST SUFFER! ...by feeding king streamer xerxes blueberries 🫐 (Thats gamer talk for noobs) [spoiler]this post is satirical[/spoiler]

You are getting downvoted hard. These must be the players who do not want competitiveness in a game they talk competitive smack. Bring up KD in CBMM but wants to dodge SBMM. 😂😂😂 It is extremely Ironic. I cannot wait for LSBMM. We need the change regardless if it is good or bad.

[quote]SBMM is better then CBMM. [/quote] I agree... Seems a lot of the CB'ers think that SB will produce a field of players all having exactly the same skill level to compete against. This is almost never the case. There is always a range of skill on the field with SBMM - though that range is much narrower than what CBMM gives us (up to an obscene 100:1 skill range). I think a 4x skill range is a good target to shoot for. This would allow any player a chance to improve without being crushed. With a 4x skill range, the top player could (for example) end the game with 40 defeats while the bottom player gets 10. With SB, spawn trapping would end and the problem with stacks would end as well (they would face tougher opponents).

The matchmaking needs to balance KD/skill for each team better. It doesn't need to matchmake 2.0 KD players against 2.0 KD players or 1.0 KD players against 1.0 KD players all the time. For really low skilled or beginning players matchmaking should give them more games with only players their skill then move them into the entire player base pool based off of improvement. This will never happen or full SBMM in destiny because of P2P connection and no dedicated servers. There is no hope for matchmaking without dedicated servers. Possible solution is to go back to 4v4 or 5v5 for control clash type game modes. Introduce more 3v3 or 4v4 game modes. Less players for each game should allow for better matchmaking. 6v6 is too hard to matchmake and balance abilities for in destiny. Especially without dedicated servers. Hit registration, lag, matchmaking time, and server stability should be priority. You can't have that with full SBMM, P2P connection, and low player count. If you have full SBMM everyone will eventually have the same KD in their player pool. The only reward for improving is moving into a higher bracket where eventually you will cap out. Once you reach the cap with your skill you will have almost the same KD every game because your playing people your same skill.

I will bump you. I must tell you however that sbmm was not preferred by the community...[i][b]twice[/b][/i]. Because many have the attention span of a goldfish and this odf sense of entitlment, they not only forget how SBMM felt but also believe when they get bored of something, they complain to bungie to change things. Players will be bumped into rankings where they will face harder players. Players will kill their KD just to stomp lower skilled players. Players can make burner accounts to stomp lower skilled players. You will always find someone better against you. Sbmm also had bad connections in the past. People complain that fodder deserve easier games...yea? So does everyone else. People will make it so. Not much will change.

Found the participation trophy player

Nah only for ranked. Just make it visible and use it as a rank.

*than