Some primaries have a 0.8 second ttk is that not fast enough? Add in a damage perk now you are talking close to 0.5 seconds. We are talking fast. Talking fast like the micromachine advertisement guy! Look them up. Singing MJ’s bad in seconds flat.

The player radar also plays a huge part in this "shotgun everywhere" meta. Hunter stealth also plays a huge part. Hey i know where this guy is, i know how close he is. Lets pop an invisibility and rush that guy. Bungie just tuning the weapon and ammo is not enough.

They're nerfing special weapons directly as well did you read only part of the twab and skip over everything else?

Agreed. It will not fix anything but promote more teamshooting. Bungie needs to revert all changes to special weapons but remove flinch and targeting mods from special weapons while increasing the ability to negate what makes special weapons strong. Here are some examples: Shotguns: Increase pellet spread Fusions: Reduce charge rate Snipers/ Linear Fusion: Kick out of reticle Grenade Launchers: Reduce accuracy.

Fusions range and accuracy is a problem. Shotguns are easy to to outplay with a primary (except on some maps)

I’ll continue to use the toaster, so long as meta monkeys are gonna push their wares. I can be as toxic as the next fool….

The problem is too many people rely on them for easy ohks and most maps cater to shotguns and fusions, since most maps are small to mid size and have lots of cover. I wouldn't be surprised if trace rifles become meta next season after these nerfs and ammo changes go live. As is they have just a slightly faster ttk and it's possible that 20% buff may include guardians since the buff if for anything that's not a red bar.

Everyone acting like they're removing special ammo, my brother in Christ it will still drop you just actually have keep getting kills to keep getting ammo instead of killing 1 dude that has alot and being set. I can promise you if you're any decent at PvP you will still almost constantly have 2 or more shots of special

Usually I'd agreed but Bungie has nerfed Shotguns more tines than I can count throughout D2s lifetime and imo they're fine in terms of damage and Fusion rifle and getting nerfed at the start of season 17 so only time will tell if another will be needed or not, the amount of special ammo that drops is literally the main issue as to why someone can run around with it for entire matches mic that with the small maps sizes and it creates a festering cess pool that never gets better just worse. Taking away the scav mods from pvp should have happened ages ago and nerfs may have been avoided but instead of tackling the issue using the most logical method bungie went for the super easy lazy one that just resulted in constant nerfs to weapons I can see the targeting mods being the next thing to get reduced to 1 type only equipped or removed entirely too