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So I've been thinking about slavery a lot.
I think everybody can agree that slavery is evil, that the modern, civilized person would be abhorred by the thought of it. "How could we let that happen?" we say to ourselves, "How can we take another human being and treat them like cattle?" I'd like to think that even some of the plantation owners knew it was wrong. Yet they rationalized slave labor by making claims that the slaves were not human beings, that they were only partially human. They claimed they were more like animals than sentient people. When Abraham Lincoln was about to emancipate the slaves, the South fought for the right of ownership. Companies involved in or that supported the slave trade would spread propaganda and misinformation in order to justify the practice. It's...unsettling, the kind of mental gymnastics we as human beings will perform to defend an evil like that. We try to convince ourselves that we aren't bad people.
Sorry if this comes out of the blue, it's just something that's been on my mind.
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3 通の返信InTheZoneにより編集済み: 5/6/2022 2:06:22 PMWhen we talk about slavery are we talking about after the fact that people sold their own people to those of this country? Or are we talking about the start of slavery and how it still exists in other non-US countries? And another note about slavery, one specific party has the clan as their legacy and their actions today still hold a certain demographic back, yet those same people say they're anti-racist. There's a lot to learn from our past, but seems like many younger generations either like being fooled. Amazing how people support a party just by what they say, completely disregarding their actions.
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11 通の返信The south continued the same way of living like back in England, which wasn't humane to certain individuals, but our country allowed the issue to persist, until the south tried to secede. The US saw slavery for almost a hundred years underneath the US Flag, meanwhile everyone gets the confederate flag wrong, no thats not 'THE' confederate flag, thats the Battle Flag of Tennessee, which only saw slavery beneath it for 4 years, but everyone praise the US flag... Slavery still exists in the form of Human Trafficking, and our government still hasn't stopped it...
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2 通の返信Shammyにより編集済み: 5/6/2022 7:03:00 PMLiving on Earth before the 1900’s was awful. 99% you would be born poor and to a large family, you probably die before adulthood starving. And in the 2/3 chance you make it to adulthood, you either keep working like a dog, or you die to a disease or plaugue, or you die in a war, and you probably only live to be 30. Slaves had it even worse, and slavery was [i]everwhere.[/i] The only ones who had it good were those in charge of the government and nobles. That’s not to say slavery still is not a thing. In everything but name, slavery still exists. Just look at the Sweatshops all over Asia and South America where they pay essentially nothing for days worth of pay, and in terrible working conditions. Slavery didn’t end in America, it just became less mainstream.
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TheArtistにより編集済み: 5/6/2022 4:47:23 PMTribal morality. People will find a way to justify things that work to their benefit. Every agricultural society has to have a working class that works the land, and a warrior class (nobility) that defends that land from conquerors and raiders. In feudal societies that organization was part of the social contract within a society because there was mutual benefit. The laborers were given safety and security. The warrior class were give food and the wealth needed to train for war. During colonialism and European expansion, that mutual ly beneficial arrangement was first attempted to be continued through indentured servitude. Someone pays your passage in exchange for a period of labor. But that proved “inefficient” and not profitable. So African hereditary slavery gradually replaced it. With the foundation of society becoming of of exploitation rather than mutual cooperation. Industrial farming has slowly allowed this to be somewhat phased out. Slavery has been abolished. Sharecropping (debt peonage) has been phased out. But agriculture is still dependent on low-wage workers with little societal power to work aspects of the farm economy that is not easily mechanized. Which is part of why our immigration system never manages to get fixed. The businesses that benefit from the vulnerable and exploitable work force that undocumented workers represent don’t want the problem fixed. Too much money to be made.
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1 返信[quote]It's...unsettling, the kind of mental gymnastics we as human beings will perform to defend an evil like that.[/quote] This could be applied to a multitude of topics. That said, evil can be rationalized into justifiable by lying about anything to where people eventually accept it as fact.
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1 返信I've had to deal with (read: replace) a bad slave before, replaced the master too...can never be too careful.
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1 返信That’s exactly why it was banned in the U.S. Unfortunately it does still linger in other countries. Cough cough (China)[spoiler]licks finger [/spoiler]
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3 通の返信Technically, the North was fighting to Unify the country, not abolish slavery. At first. Abolishing slavery came 2nd. So did South fighting for keeping slaves. Their main reason was that they felt that the government should not butt in to how they make a living. The South said that was not the government 's job, to intrude and tell them how to live life. The "keeping the slaves thing" was 2nd. Also, Abe Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery and that's it. He still felt that Whites and Blacks should be kept separate. Not equal. History lesson over.
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Twin Infernoにより編集済み: 5/6/2022 2:04:01 PMI think that it’s well known that since the beginning the majority hated the concept of slavery, I think despite their condition to approve it, it didn’t take a genius to understand the sinister actions of taking the freedom of a human being for forced labor. History has repeatedly been governed by the ones who gave one another up. Slavery can come in different forms. Like the the battle of the Suez Canal which was a fight for independence from Germany. That same battle motivated Ho Chi Minh while he was studying communism in Russia to liberate his own nation from the French. Or even before that when Britain was enslaving Ireland. Then the Civil war in the 1980s. So overall slavery as a whole has impacted everybody, not just one single group. And it makes me hopeful when I think back, even in the civil war when everybody fought to end slavery bc the battle for the right of freedom for all humans has been a preservation that all people cherish and will fight for. Bc the sinister act against humanity has been the cause of millions of deaths and many wars. I think there has been a lot of debate recently about who should be held accountable for deeds of their ancestors, which is wrong bc we should move on from that, focus on the future and not grip onto the past, and do better. And I think we are just by living our lives and caring for one another. People believe that we need to make a lot of noise for change. I believe that the best thing we can do is to just look out for another and never use whatever separates us as a deciding factor. (bc it’s completely irrelevant to the character of someone.) All I can say… when the time comes, when the sinister act of slavery arises once more, I think everybody, no matter where their from will show up to fight against it bc the more we fight for the rights of our fellow human beings the more humane we are.
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pValue2010により編集済み: 5/6/2022 1:34:01 PMThe scary reality is we’re not even all that removed from the atrocities of our ancestors. Slavery wasn’t that long ago in terms of human civilization. The -blam!- was just around the corner. Psychological experiments show we’re willing to harm a fellow, innocent human under the right conditions (as directed by authority). We’re brought up (hopefully) to combat this nature, but our DNA is no different and we have the capacity to repeat these things.
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People just don’t like being wrong, and will do almost anything to make it look like they aren’t. To themselves, to others; it doesn’t matter if you aren’t completely sure you’re doing the right thing either, you’ll die trying to make it look like you aren’t wrong.
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