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4/14/2022 3:32:42 AM
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Agreed. Lowering the poison damage would be fair imo. Wouldn't make the bow useless.
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[quote]Agreed. Lowering the poison damage would be fair imo. Wouldn't make the bow useless.[/quote] Yes it would, that is the whole point of the poison, like when they nerfed thorn because of dot, once nerfed it was just another HC, I’m talking d1 not this iteration
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Because thorn legitimately broke the meta. If lemon shot any faster it would also be meta breaking if it got successful warm up or even impulse amplifier for its catalyst it would be 100% cheese. Lowering the poison damage does absolutely nothing to it without buffs. It'll still do more damage than the average bow and it'll still delay healing and obscure vision. It'll just be harder to hot swap into if it doesn't hit a heads 1st.
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You do realize lowering it wouldn't do much. Look at wish ender for the example. Wish ender dose 102 DMG to the body and 160 to the head. (This is including it's exit damage of 30). Monarque dose 125 DMG to the body and 175 to the head. (This is including the poison dmg of 24). Now you might still think monarque is to op when being shown this against a bow that has a longer draw time. However, wish ender, to keep it in check, had it's base head and body DMG number dropped to those of a 612. (72 to body 130 to head). If this was not done wish ender would have 131 body and 182 head. Making it inevitably more busted than monarque. Monarque, and it's poison, are equally fine as they sit. Nerfing the damage would make monarque so weak, a legendary could beat it. (And yes I have tested this already). Heck, the only thing they could do is change aim assist values. But even then, a trained bow user (ie me) would still dominate over people who just run crosseyed into engagements. At the end of the day the real issue is the lack of knowledge to play around it. 4 years of same old ape playstyle has gotten you guys soft. Bungie needs to realize this and take it away. Forcing you to play a more laid-back playstyle so you can see that these weapons/exotics arnt as busted as you think. Ie: renewals/monarque. Renewals isn't an issue if you don't push. Monarque isn't an issue if you don't peak unnessisary areas/slide out when apso/trying to slide out in a range of 35+ meters with a hc/shotgun/fusion. (And yes people do this. This happens maybe 3-8 times a game.)
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I’ll just say I have only played this game for a little over a year. Didn’t know it existed til my boy told me about the free to play version lol!! So I’m not part of the years of shotgun aping 😂😂 just wanted to clarify that
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It would still be fundamentally annoying if you nerf the poison. The whole reason the poison is good because it delays healing and obstructs vision. Nerfing the damage makes it so people can't get an easier hotswap into like an smg.
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Also, hotswaping has been a thing for years. Even in season 1-3. Scout to hc. Auto to sidarm. Season 4-now. G-launcher sub. G-launcher sidarm. Sniper handcannon. Auto handcannon. Scout shotgun. Any primary shotgun/fusion. It's not limited to monarque or bows. Every weapon has a hotswap and every weapon over the past 5+ years have used it. 🤷
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You do realize if the ones that compare/are "remotely" similar are the special ammo ones, then wouldn't you think the special ammo weapons are the issue? You want to complain about primaries but last I checked, shotguns, fusions and snipers lead over primaries by quite a bit in kills alone. You guys Wana complain about a double primary set-up then say people are bad for using a double primary set-up. 🤷 How I see it is you apes are just trying to ruin the game season to season. I mean heck, this is proven by the meta. Ever since season 4, pvp has been on a continuing train downwards of popularity. Only reason people flock to it is because Bungie hypes it with a big season update. Ex: March 2020 to around august 2020. Nothing changed and no hype was built till after a big season drop. Specials are the issue. Heck, don't believe me? Take off all specials and hc and use only double primary for the rest of the season. I can 100% bet over 70% of your deaths will come from specials or/and hc.
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[quote]You do realize if the ones that compare/are "remotely" similar are the special ammo ones, then wouldn't you think the special ammo weapons are the issue? You want to complain about primaries but last I checked, shotguns, fusions and snipers lead over primaries by quite a bit in kills alone. You guys Wana complain about a double primary set-up then say people are bad for using a double primary set-up. 🤷 How I see it is you apes are just trying to ruin the game season to season. I mean heck, this is proven by the meta. Ever since season 4, pvp has been on a continuing train downwards of popularity. Only reason people flock to it is because Bungie hypes it with a big season update. Ex: March 2020 to around august 2020. Nothing changed and no hype was built till after a big season drop. Specials are the issue. Heck, don't believe me? Take off all specials and hc and use only double primary for the rest of the season. I can 100% bet over 70% of your deaths will come from specials or/and hc.[/quote] No I wouldn't think special weapons are as big of a problem as the bow. You can make people waste sniper shots n gain ground. Thats not possible against the cheese now. You like to use blanket statements to try to down play things. You say double primary like someone's trying to nerf your side arm pulse rifle build. When in reality it's a very very cheesy combo that allows for instant kills with very little effort or skill. Its funny you talk about people quitting over changes yet you run around with the cheesiest most obnoxious weapon in your name n pretend people didn't get cheesed by that bow all weekend in trials and log out pissed off as a result of it, but that's OK because it's what you enjoy right? You have some hilarious levels of bias.
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Not bias when I'm stating facts kid. Heck, the meta even proves my point. Hc, shotguns and fusions have been way more oppresive and broken for years and they have been changed and worked every other seaosn. (A total of 3 times each max). Yet here they are. Still the top 3 most used, most killed with weapons in the game. Monarque gets on the list once and all hell breaks loose. 💁 You guys are all the same. Nerf everything except cqc. If you wanted to play cqc, go to your highschools wrestling club. I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed being literally coiled around another sweaty guy. Cqc at it's definition.
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Bottom tree dawn also burns on hit your point? All those things you listed are still viable even if their poison damage isn't as strong as Lemon. Lemon also one shots in emp rift or sun warrior. What other primary weapon besides lumina+harmony bow does that?
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Literally any legendary bow with rampage dude. 👏 Your welcome. Let's also not forget that any high damage weapon can one shot in both those isntances you named off. You want to push that delay of life gen is a major claws for monarque to get nerfed, yet say all the others are fine. You also don't mention, or just decide not to, about rampage on bows. 🤷. Sorry bud but at this point you are just an ape who dosnt want to change how they play, so you blame everything else.
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Not a single legendary bow with rampage one shot 😂 Less poison damage wouldn’t change a single strength that Monarque has aside from being able to one shot with damage buffs… He isn’t wrong. You’re being biased 🤷♂️
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Lmao. You’re comparing a Le Monarque being able to one shot with a single damage boost to a x3 rampage bow 😂 Stop it. Swashbuckler x5 also one shots in headshots… but it’s not practical 🤷♂️ I know more about bows than you that’s for sure 😂. Seeing as how I actually use them and you focus on hotswap. A Monarque with less poison damage can still hot swap well. You wont lose your crutch bruh…
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Actually, x2 buddy. If you slwo the video down you can easily see it. Also, the rampage one shooting is just the top layer of the cake. Let's also not forget this is a kinetic bow. Opening your secondary slot AND exotic slot. Hmm what weapons are in the secondary? Couldn't be vex mytho. Shiuras? No no. Felwinters lie? Of course not. Ignious hammer? Pfff. Jotunn? Risk runner? Tarraba? Funnel-web? Shall I go on?
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Reduced posion damage: it dose 24 points of DMG right now with 2-3 DMG per tick. You reduce that you'd make it simply not usable. Why? Because a legendary can do the exact same. It is why 612s are non existent. Why use a 612 when I can use a 684, get the same draw time with perks and still have 151 head and 101 body vs 135 head and 84 body. Heck, if you are combining about monarque, Trinity should be nerfed since it can one shot with it's perk. Not only that but it can proct itself to go further out. Not to mention the damage buff from literally everything you guys complain about would also make that bow one shot with it's perk without needing to ads. 💁 My point being you have 0 clue how to balance weapons. Bows are such a fence weapon, that even nerfing damage could make them unusable. Let's take hc for an example. How would you feel if they decided to change hc damage to... Oh idk, 50 per shot max? Do you think anyone would run 120 or 140? No. Why do people run 120 and 140? High damage, fast ttk and range. If all hc delt 50 DMG max, then there wouldn't be a point to use any slower firing hc. This is the same with bows. Monarque is used directly because of the poison. Without it it's just another subtle calamity. This is why a true archer can use almost any bow and do good. Heck I used the vow and was surprised with it. I can go in with any bow and do just as good. It's why my second most used bow in pvp is wish ender. 🤷. Learn the weapons before judging them
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Geez monarque in your name and you are pretending you are looking at this in a reasonable fashion lol? You compare it to silly stuff that actually has cooldowns n act like you have a point. Le monarque is basically an unlimited ammo, ridiculously easy to use sniper rifle. If you land 1 shot with this cheese bow the target is either stuck hiding for 10 seconds while your teammates push or they are just dead because the bow cheeser is using a dmg buff. If it's a camp battle with passive teams you can't even peak against it. If they tag you at all with anything + the cheese bow you are dead. You have to hope you can kill them using some sort of special ammo weapon. Which you have 2 shots to get it done in while having an unlimited ammo aim bot cheese bow taking you out of the fight endlessly. All this trouble to deal with what? Some low skill turd camping with a bow that shoots Boulder sized arrows that can 1 shot lol. They need to completely remove its ability to 1 shot period. I don't care what buffs it has it can't 1 shot. On top of that lower aim assist and shorten poison duration. You don't deserve free kills or taking someone out of the fight for 10 seconds for landing a shot with one of the easiest to use weapons in the game.
