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SoINinjaにより編集済み:
2/27/2022 2:34:59 AM
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Why the Witness is not the Darkness itself:
So I made a previous topic about this, and asked different members of the Lore Community what their thoughts were about this “Witness” that everyone’s been talking about. Some said that the Witness was the Darkness itself, and the Winnower. Other said that the Witness is more of a servant to the Darkness.
So I went into the Witch Queen campaign to review this myself, and found this:
WARNING: WITCH QUEEN SPOILERS BELOW!
Do not open unless you have done the campaign.
[spoiler]During the mission known as The Mirror in The Witch Queen campaign, you delve deep into a place where Savathûn’s memories manifest as a physical event that you are able see.
You then come to an Alter that reveals a memory from Savathûn’s mind. And there is one part of that memory where she says the following:
[quote]I stand before a being with a thousand names. It whispers one: the Witness.
Remember it. Remember that name.
It is not Darkness, but something that wears it like a cloak. It gives Darkness a wicked shape. I refuse to be its servant.[/quote] [/spoiler]
Savathûn says it herself here that the Witness is not Darkness. But it does enact its will.
(There’s most likely more that was said on this subject, I just don’t currently have the quotes with me)
Based on what I see here, this shows that the Witness is a servant of the thing we only know as “Darkness” or, (if they’re the same being as mentioned in the Unveiling Lore Book), the Winnower.
We do need to keep in mind however, that this was the god of cunning, and deceit that spoke this. But in the meantime, this shows that the Witness isn’t the Darkness, and I have yet to see anything that says otherwise.
[b]Any thoughts on this would be appreciated, as I am open to another possibility if there’s evidence for it.[/b]
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1 返信Hold up now. The third power I believe is the Leviathan. Or sort of an in between. It's also the name of Calus' ship and there are a couple on Titan. We don't know much, but it's only affiliation seems to be with the defender to keep balance. We've never seen it fight us because it's trying to keep a balance. I don't know, kind of a stretch, but it's all I got.
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4 通の返信Remember when Savathûn told us that there were THREE “beings” or “powers” out there? That on one end of the spectrum we have the Darkness, and on the other end we have the Light, but she also that that if we look up, we’d see a third entity that has been watching us the whole time? What if that third entity IS The Witness? Because we know The Witness is neither good nor bad, but neutral. So it stands to reason that it wouldn’t be in the spectrum of Dark to Light, but above it?
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1 返信What about the end of the cutscene where the Witness materializes from the black liquid? Does that imply that the Witness is an embodiment of the darkness?
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2 通の返信you’re forgetting one important thing mate.. its savathun the queen of lies and trickery. also this in my opinion could be interpreted that he may not be what everyone calls “the darkness”. because the darkness isnt one entity. its all entities of dark magic/nature. i believe he just commands it as you can see in the ending cutscene. he opens the window revealing ALL the ziggurats because he commands the black fleet.
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5 通の返信MC 077 Lasombraにより編集済み: 2/28/2022 12:54:40 AMI think you misinterpreted what she said. “It is not Darkness, but something that wears it like a cloak. It gives Darkness a wicked shape. I refuse to be its servant. “ When you take that statement and the one Eris makes about Darkness being a neutral force, the meaning changes. This statement seems to have been missed by many people. Darkness is just a power. A slice on the spectrum of paracausal power. If an entity was “the Darkness”, how does a lower minion wear it or give it shape? The god above it would be the one doing it. That means the Winnower isn’t “the Darkness” anymore then the Gardner is “the Light”. They are merely the beings who turned raw paracausal power into a specific brand, shaped by their nature and philosophy. So with that established, the Winnower could be the Witness. It could be the Witness is the number one minion and runs the ships. Someone pointed out the ‘we’ aspect of how it talks and that it matches how the Fleet talks.
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6 通の返信Infamous067により編集済み: 2/27/2022 1:55:59 PMWhen it gets to destiny, I’ve come to learn that there is always something or someone out there thats stronger than the enemy we are currently fighting. Everyone remember oryx? We thought he would be the strongest enemy we ever faced, then came others that lead to savathun. Now the witness exist, I’m sure other new bigger bad guys are gonna show up.
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4 通の返信ChronoRabbitN7により編集済み: 2/27/2022 5:07:08 PMThe Witness, is like the Traveler. The Witness talked like the Traveler was a daughter of darkness like it, but chose to follow the path of the Gardener and wants to drag her home for being irresponsible and tired of her rebellious phase. Maybe they're related? The thing is, how did Savathûn trick the Witness into leaving the Traveler alone the first time?
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1 返信Incarnate Sableにより編集済み: 2/27/2022 9:22:12 PM[spoiler][quote]It is not Darkness, but something that wears it like a cloak. It gives Darkness a wicked shape.[/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler]This leads me to believe that, as our view has been pushed towards believing, the Darkness is a truly neutral force, neither good nor bad. That part about the Witness giving it a wicked shape, however, means that it is absolutely being brought to bear against us with malevolence, rather than neutrality, at the Witness' behest. I feel that it's not exactly a servant of the Darkness, but a wielder of it, like us with Stasis. Our confrontation with it will probably be less "Light overcoming Dark" and more proving our mastery over the Darkness, which will make it abandon the Witness in favour of us, which would also fit with an expansion name like "Lightfall".[/spoiler]
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2 通の返信I_Mir_lにより編集済み: 2/27/2022 7:10:05 AMIf I’m not mistaken isn’t the Witness also the copy of our guardian who spoke with us during the Shadowkeep “Beyond” mission? They say similar lines like “we are your salvation” during a WQ mission which goes into what our copy said to us, “we are not your friend, we are not your enemy, we are your salvation.” It also apparently talked to us in the Black Garden according to Eris but that’s so far back I hardly remember what it said if it even said anything or just some telepathy nonsense. Maybe it can take on many forms which I thought “the darkness” could do. I’m a little rusty on the little lore we [u]did[/u] have on the “darkness” or I guess “witness”. The wispy smoky stuff coming from his head that looks like many faces just gives off the vibe that it can take on many forms. This is just my opinion tho.
