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Pistolにより編集済み: 2/12/2022 12:41:22 AM
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So Bungie likes Warlocks, let’s talk about that.

So, right now the classes of Destiny are stirring again for another Class war brewing on the surface. Funnily enough, it’s not about the Guardian Games this time. It’s about buffs, and nerfs, and a brand new toy we’ll all have access to soon enough. Unfortunately, just when we think we all have an understanding of what’s going on. Bungie shows their hand and reminds us of which class will always come out on top. Heart of the Pack, and Bubble’s higher damage buff over Wells will both be seeing their way out as of a recent Podcast. So, now Hunters have less reason to buff their team with invis, already sink further into the back, and Titans get to watch as their support super which was originally the only one in the game sit in the back when it’s supposed to be getting buffs. I just want to know, when enough is enough. This post’ll be filled with angry warlocks coming at me for even daring to threaten their spot as best PvE class for months but let’s face it. Over the last few weeks, even Titans who have received numerous buffs and abilities for builds are just looking pathetic next to the Warlock buffs. For every step forward we take, we take one more back and Warlocks take 30 forward. This isn’t cool Bungie, every class deserves equal care and thought. Right now, the whole communities looking at the Warlocks, which sucks for them. No one wants to play a class, that will get so bloated and so overpowered, that when the community bites back it can spiral downwards. Warlocks in the forums and around the community get hostile at the thought of nerfs because they know just how game changing it can be in a negative way. Don’t hurt them either, just let us all 3 thrive.

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  • Bungie themselves don't favor the warlock just the community that wants hunters gone. Bungie is just riding the wave albeit indirectly but prepping the warlock to be the dominant class which more favorable and has a base that will defend it. Nobody can sit here and tell me top tree dawnblade is balanced. Warlocks are losing some utility but also gained some. Hunters got nothing valuable. Titans needed everything they got and still need more. Bungie only did right by titans and warlocks. They intentionally want to reduce hunters to see whats actually popular which isn't bad but thats how you kill a class and most of your base. Not excited about void 3.0.

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  • Infamous067により編集済み: 2/13/2022 1:19:14 PM
    Bungie likes warlocks for pve, not so much on pvp. Everything about warlock has been destroyed on pvp. We only have 2 competitive classes for trials now. We have top tree dawn and top tree nova bomb, thats it! Storm caller both top and bottom got gutted, the recent nerf to chaos reach actually killed the super, bottom tree nova bomb is trash, nova warp went extinct, bottom tree dawn blade still sucks, well of radiance is a pve class so good luck trying to use that on pvp where everything one shots and stasis is only good for its super since the neutral game on pvp is just so bad. As you can see warlocks are left with only 2 good competitive classes. Top tree nova is great for its new and improved axiom bolts, it really helps against stationary players that play too passively and never move around. Its also useful for engaging a fight with them or finishing off enemies. Slovabomb sucks but at least its not as bad as tethers and hey its not like we get supers in trials anyway. Top tree dawn speaks for itself, its the fastest warlock subclass with its very own competitive play style that allows aerial control and movement. The neutral game is good and the super is also good. So there you go, bungie doesn’t love warlocks as much as you claim. Thanks to a lot of you in the community we went from having 4-5 competitive classes to now only having 2 until bungie decides to nerf them yet again because you guys died once to an axiom bolt or got killed from a dawnblade that got a good angle on you.

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  • They like Warlocks? Considering we’ve been hit with the hardest nerfs across the series, and seeing the Hunter favoritism the last few years, I’d say the opposite is true.

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    • Killmongerにより編集済み: 2/11/2022 5:29:44 PM
      Not surprised. If you watch the vidoc the way the team talked about warlocks and how they worked on the subclass for void 3.0, you can tell which class they put more effort towards. It shows to with all the cool and interesting things they can do along with the endless possibilities of builds in pve and pvp. Not upset every class should have that same level of dedication. I’ve said it time and time again there needs to be a team for each class that actually mains that class. You can’t be a warlock main and think you know everything a Titan or Hunter needs.

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      • Every class is going to have one element they reign Supreme in. I'm okay with that as a warlock main, now is my time to shine but when solar comes and the top tree downgrades get wrecked I'll be in the crowd clapping too. I just hope I get a straight Kamehameha animation when storyteller gets it's turn

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      • I would bet my next paycheck that most (but not all) the bungie staff main warlocks, warlocks have more survivability, support, and damage potential than the other 2 classes outside of a couple niche circumstances. The titans across the board need love imo (to be fair, i am biased as i pretty much only play my titan). When i play hunter, for the most part i feel ok, could use a TINY bit of love and thats it. But warlocks can out-tank, out-damage, and out-support almost any titan or hunter. Now - let me be clear, i don't want to see warlocks get any substantial nerfs to bring them in line with the titans, what i want to see is a situation where a titan will out tank any warlock without trying. And the way i would do this is by completely reworking the core stats and their relation to the classes. Make mobility actually do what it should and improve sprint speed - it would do this for all three classes but the hunters would get about a 30-35% bigger benefit for their investment than the other classes. Make resilience a stat TRUELY worth specing into - make it give the guardian in question actual % based DR (damage reduction) from all sources with the titans getting a 30-35% greater return than the other classes. Imo recovery is already REALLY top drawer. But what you could add to it would be to have it reduce the duration of debuffs applied to the guardian in question on top of what it already does with warlocks getting a 20-30% greater return than the other classes (i know thats less than the other classes but COME ON - the locks already have their cake and are eating it too - they don't need a buff) Thats the way i feel about it

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        • I can't speak for Bungie, but I like Warlocks, Titans and Hunters. Warlocks - They have the prettiest dresses in the galaxy. Titans - They keep Crayola in business. Hunters - They rock pimp cloaks that make Kat Williams jealous. It's OK to like all three. All of this class specific elitism is childish and simple minded. ✌️

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        • Most warlocks have zero drip so at least Titans and hunters have that.

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          • Pythonにより編集済み: 2/12/2022 1:46:55 PM
            It's half-half for me but we can agree that Bungie seems neglected Hunters "a little bit", Titan still alright for me but still Titan need some improvements. Don't get me wrong tho, I'm not complaining that Hunter is weak or not, Hunter it's still have its use in PvE content such as heavy debuffing (Void), CC (Stasis), Ads clear (Arc) and a Safe DPS (Solar Celestial) Just after playing through hours and hours of Warlock and Titan, I found that Hunters have quite a number of deficiency when it is on PvE content: 1. No team synergy related common abilities - in here the common abilities I mean by grenade, melee and class, which is by far Hunter only can accomplish other classes by smoke bombs and stasis shuriken (CC) meanwhile Titan have Sun Warrior/ Defensive Strike etc. and Barricade Warlock have Healing Grenade, Arc Soul etc. and Healing/Empowering Rift Hunter on the other hand, smoke bomb can do its job when come to team, dodging can only benefit Hunters solely (currently) 2. Not versatile defensive ability The top arc tree as an example requires melee KILL, it's same as Titan Top Void if not wrong (please correct me if wrong). I think other defensive stuff really relies on exotics like Wormhusk etc. But still it's manageable since it's requires on the skills of Hunter to try to not die 3. Mobility as main stat Mobility is good tho but on the other hand what it provides is a little benefit only compare to resilience and recovery (other than Hunter, Hunter really need that jump increase benefit) I believe most Titans and Warlocks when they saw armour piece that have high mobility they will just neglect it right? PS. I don't think Warlock is that OP, cause they eventually will get a heavy nerf every 3-4 months, and OP -blam!- happens on Warlocks, Bungie always seems like the first to know and their nerf is extremely heavy compare to Titans and Hunters. Looking at you Geomag Edit: Btw guys, this is a MuFKR feedback, everyone probably won't stick to your POV solely, everyone have different opinion. So please be chill when retaliating your opinion to others. Please have a good day.

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            • Warlocks are supposed to be Space Wizards. Not Birthday Party Magicians.

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              • AbsolutZeroGIにより編集済み: 2/12/2022 1:51:14 AM
                There's a reason your post has 0 up votes (or a net loss, more dislikes than up votes), because nothing you said is even remotely accurate. Go through the last 12 months of twabs and count the nerfs. Warlock is at the top with the most. We have exactly one PvE trick left (well of Radiance). Sorry bud, Bungo hates warlocks.

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                • Just so you know hunters have been op forever and so at some point warlocks and titans have to have a turn

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                  • DarkMoonWolf666により編集済み: 2/12/2022 9:38:11 AM
                    War lock being favorite ?hahahaahahah...you serious!? My guy warlock get nerf immediately...how long dis titan had OeM be broken in PvP ? And if you were to think instead of being sentimental over class usage you would had realized that void 3.0 is basically a buff on all 3 classes current toolset ....yea warlock sound powerfull...because void war lock is about power while titan and Hunter void are mostly centered around being a support Like peoples seriously take this class rivalry seriously? Answer is no.... Please be rational P.s you do realized having 2 of the same class is useless right ?

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                  • You have no idea what you are talking about. Hunters have always been the top used class for PVP. Stop crying

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                    • Bungie likes warlocks? Is that why they are nerfed more than Titans and Hunters combined

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                      • Play as a warlock then?

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                      • It’s always about buffs and nerfs (funnily enough). Just play.

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                      • Warlocks always have been and always will be the best for pve due to their near unlimited abilities and support they bring to the team Titans are the class for alaround gameplay Hunters are for pvp specifically golden gun due to how it can improve your weapons or give you extra information with wall hacks on spectral (which will now be on all void classes)

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                      • I have played with hundreds and hundreds, maybe even thousands, of hunters over the last 7 years and I very rarely got an invis buff from any of them.

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                        • Since the last patch top tree nightstalker got ruined Super was already bad but now the cooldown is even worst The shatterdiving inv from the demo looks good though

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                        • Rock: paper is too strong!! Paper: scissors are too strong!! Scissors: rock is too strong!!

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                          • AngryWarlockにより編集済み: 2/12/2022 3:16:18 AM
                            One class will always be on top and then eventually be nerfed. Regardless of whether or not said class is nerfed quickly another class will simply take its place. It’s a vicious cycle and it will remain that way since each class has its own specialties. [spoiler]Warlock master race lol[/spoiler]

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                          • This is what happens when yall other two mains got us nerfed after one week into the beyond light launch What did it cost you? EVERYTHING!!!!

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                          • Enough with the class wars jeez

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                            • Hey! Leave my warlock alone! Don’t get him nerfed! Please?

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                              • I've never understood how anyone ever complains about warlocks they're SO GOOD for end game PVE and hold their own in PvP pretty well too (though admittedly I need more warlock PvP practice lmao). Also frankly the people that step away from fun banta and into genuinely lean into "class wars" are just dumb lol

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