Exotic guns are supposed to be OP. It's what makes them exotic.

I knocked out the catalyst for it on my daughter's account the other day. It's absolutely absurd. I usually run SMG/sniper, and Lorentz replaces a sniper at all but the farthest ranges, while simultaneously being very easy to use on shotgun rushers at close range. Midrange is just as easy. It's busted. Did I enjoy using it? 100%. But it needs a nerf.

[quote]Going to outline some things that make lorentz driver fundamentally broken other than just "bad gun kill me and im mad". 1. Large hitbox and extremely low zoom makes it incredibly easy to use. While a sniper has high zoom and is very awkward in close quarters, lorentz is perfectly usable up close and is effectively a shotgun with Lagrangian sight active, which I will get to later. 2. Damage profile - if you somehow miss the headshot you can very easily clean up a kill because the gun does 166 to the body. You can clean up targets who are just a little bit weak. This also means that any damage buff, such as blessing of the sky, empowered melee, emp rift, sun warrior, frontal assault, and interria override will allow it to one shot to the body. It can also kill any super, including bottom tree arcstrider while in the resist dodge, in one headshot. 3. The "black hole"- One of lorentz driver's exotic perks is the black hole that generates when you headshot somebody, sucking in and doing damage to nearby targets from, in my experience, up to like 15m away which is insane. You should, under no circumstance, be directly punished for a teammate's death. In several occasions I was able to get free multikills by killing one person, whose black hole would then suck in 2-3 teammates who I could easily bodyshot. This is why dunemarchers got nerfed. Why is the same bad design allowed with Lorentz? Remember the beam rifle alpha from halo 5 warzone/super fiesta? It was a legendary for a reason. It is basically the exact same gun as this. 4. Lagrangian sight - this is my favourite thing to complain about when it comes to this gun because it honestly just baffles me that this made it into the game. When you kill three highlighted targets, with any gun or ability it does not need to be with lorentz, and collect their "EM anomaly" fragments, you get 30 seconds of "lagrangian sight" in which Lorentz's damage is buffed to be able to one shot to the body. You also get improved handling and reload speed. 30 seconds of one shot bodyshots with such an easy to use weapon would be bad enough, but it gets even worse when you realize that the buff REFRESHES when you pick up another fragment. This allows you to easily go on 10+ kill tears for minutes at a time just flying around the map bodyshotting everybody, using the gun like its a shotgun with infinite range. Bonus points if you pop heat rises while you do this. I used lorentz driver for the first time ever yesterday. Since then I have recieved hatemail in almost every game, including death threats from two different people. It is abundantly clear that no gun in the game comes anywhere near this in terms of oppressiveness and difficulty to counter. No, we can not "buff other weapons to compete". This weapon simply shipped blatantly overtuned and there is no other way to slice it. Edit: People saying Im lying about the death threats thing. Why would I lie about that? For clout on the bungie forum? https://imgur.com/a/m3xuRvm For the doubters[/quote] Shotgunners n mobs team shooting hate this gun lmao 🤣 bunch of babies

Easy to use is not a valid argument as to why something should be nerfed heavily. If that was the case, Shotguns, Hand Cannons and movement Exotics should have been obliterated by now. 2) I agree that the damage profile needs changing, as 166 on the body is too much when there are so many easy-to-activate damage buffs these days. Killing Supers is mostly fine, Snipers can do it and so can Shotguns with the aid of a melee. 3) "you shouldn't be punished for a teammate's death" is an awful take. By the same logic, Cloudstrike should get nerfed heavily too, Firefly and Dragonfly shouldn't work in PvP, nor should any damage perks that activate on-kill. Even Riskrunner can punish you for your teammates just shooting an enemy, never mind dying. 4) For all the complaints about this perk, I never see it happen - other people going on streaks, that is. Note that it's also a non-factor in Trials, which will have a large influence in its PvP balancing. It's rare enough to see someone even using the gun, from my experience. Again, it's no more oppressive than Hand Cannons and Shotguns. If it was as broken as everyone says it is, then you'd be seeing 8-10 of them in a match (across both teams) with great regularity

I'd rather see Jotunn & Chaperone get nerfed first, those two are way worse than anything else.

[quote]While a sniper has high zoom and is very awkward in close quarters[/quote] 1. Lorentz is not a sniper so it's not supposed to have a long zoom; 2. Headshooting another player when he's in a super requires skill and it's a high risk-high reward move; 3. It's part of what makes the gun exotic; 4. You're reaching with this: [i]"This allows you to easily go on 10+ kill tears for minutes at a time"[/i]; As usual, PvP players only whine for nerfs every time anything kills them one too many times.

1) Easy to use is not a valid argument as to why something should be nerfed heavily. If that was the case, Shotguns, Hand Cannons and movement Exotics should have been obliterated by now. 2) I agree that the damage profile needs changing, as 166 on the body is too much when there are so many easy-to-activate damage buffs these days. Killing Supers is mostly fine, Snipers can do it and so can Shotguns with the aid of a melee. 3) "you shouldn't be punished for a teammate's death" is an awful take. By the same logic, Cloudstrike should get nerfed heavily too, Firefly and Dragonfly shouldn't work in PvP, nor should any damage perks that activate on-kill. Even Riskrunner can punish you for your teammates just shooting an enemy, never mind dying. 4) For all the complaints about this perk, I never see it happen - other people going on streaks, that is. Note that it's also a non-factor in Trials, which will have a large influence in its PvP balancing. It's rare enough to see someone even using the gun, from my experience. Again, it's no more oppressive than Hand Cannons and Shotguns. If it was as broken as everyone says it is, then you'd be seeing 8-10 of them in a match (across both teams) with great regularity.

It is an exotic linear fusion. The damage it deals is equivalent to it being an exotic and a linear fusion. Your argument about damage is dumb. You say it can kill you out of a super, bro do you even play. There are handful of weapons that can kill you out of your super especially since they nerfed supers ages ago. You complain about the exotic perk.........lol then stop playing the game. Cry cry cry. Rat king shouldn't make you invisible, you shouldn't be able to see through walls with wishender, cranial spike with deadman's is op, le Monarques poison breaks crucible, Telesto breaks the game. It sounds like you are just bad at the game and dislike a new weapon. It is like a sniper you bait or get hit by it. Your a pc player almost top 500 in trials, you play on pc which means you need the extra help and you reset trials cards based on going through your trials history and comparing flawless. Stop complaining about the game your playing with the vision they had in mind or just get better. Honestly I find it funny that a "top 500" card resetter on pc is complaining when your the person ruining the game for the average player who wants to play trials. get good scrub ie ben#1199.

Love using it specially against the scrubs that hold hands hahaha btw dunemarches didnt get nerf they just fix a bug

I must be using it wrong because I can’t hit 💩 with it

Bungie obviously made that weapon both overused and broken on purpose.

[quote]Going to outline some things that make lorentz driver fundamentally broken other than just "bad gun kill me and im mad". 1. Large hitbox and extremely low zoom makes it incredibly easy to use. While a sniper has high zoom and is very awkward in close quarters, lorentz is perfectly usable up close and is effectively a shotgun with Lagrangian sight active, which I will get to later. 2. Damage profile - if you somehow miss the headshot you can very easily clean up a kill because the gun does 166 to the body. You can clean up targets who are just a little bit weak. This also means that any damage buff, such as blessing of the sky, empowered melee, emp rift, sun warrior, frontal assault, and interria override will allow it to one shot to the body. It can also kill any super, including bottom tree arcstrider while in the resist dodge, in one headshot. 3. The "black hole"- One of lorentz driver's exotic perks is the black hole that generates when you headshot somebody, sucking in and doing damage to nearby targets from, in my experience, up to like 15m away which is insane. You should, under no circumstance, be directly punished for a teammate's death. In several occasions I was able to get free multikills by killing one person, whose black hole would then suck in 2-3 teammates who I could easily bodyshot. This is why dunemarchers got nerfed. Why is the same bad design allowed with Lorentz? Remember the beam rifle alpha from halo 5 warzone/super fiesta? It was a legendary for a reason. It is basically the exact same gun as this. 4. Lagrangian sight - this is my favourite thing to complain about when it comes to this gun because it honestly just baffles me that this made it into the game. When you kill three highlighted targets, with any gun or ability it does not need to be with lorentz, and collect their "EM anomaly" fragments, you get 30 seconds of "lagrangian sight" in which Lorentz's damage is buffed to be able to one shot to the body. You also get improved handling and reload speed. 30 seconds of one shot bodyshots with such an easy to use weapon would be bad enough, but it gets even worse when you realize that the buff REFRESHES when you pick up another fragment. This allows you to easily go on 10+ kill tears for minutes at a time just flying around the map bodyshotting everybody, using the gun like its a shotgun with infinite range. Bonus points if you pop heat rises while you do this. I used lorentz driver for the first time ever yesterday. Since then I have recieved hatemail in almost every game, including death threats from two different people. It is abundantly clear that no gun in the game comes anywhere near this in terms of oppressiveness and difficulty to counter. No, we can not "buff other weapons to compete". This weapon simply shipped blatantly overtuned and there is no other way to slice it.[/quote] Thank you. I’m tired of people actually defending that cancer. Like how can you justify all the things it does? Also you forgot one thing too, and that’s it’s lack of flinch, since for some reason, the gun is coded to handle flinch like a primary weapon. So flinching this gun, with something like Crimson or Fatebringer, is still a tall task. And lastly, don’t you find it hard to believe that this gun gave you free wallhacks at one point? It’s like Bungie didn’t learn their lesson with Arbalest, but with this, they’re actually trolling. Anyways, take my upvote. W Ben.

Holy crap I hope you reported those guys. This kind of stuff can really affect some innocent young minds just trying to play a video game. It’s shameful, pathetic, and children like this should be put in time-outs. 🤦‍♂️