Its never the player always the game, lets just take everything that is destiny, abilities fast ttk's, the space magic out of the game and while we are at it change the name cause it wont be worth being called destiny anymore, the community will never agree, but changing the game, the mechanics, the movements, "apparently people are blind if a hunter double jumps or dodges" so overpowerd, shoulder charges, rifts all these unique abilities, removing them so it can be a basic game so people can feel good about themselves, if you want to play cod then play cod for the ttk, if you want to shoot 2 clips to break armor play apex, if you want to build a house play fornite no one cares but if you wana play destiny play destiny and stop changing nerfing and breaking the game, destiny is partly in the state it is due to this whiney @ss community, its supposed to be epic overpowered space magic with flair making it different from other titles. Problem is not the game, people just forgot that a game is supposed to be played for fun and so what if people are worse or better than you, whether you are a pro or not, you can and will be killed, its not always lag or OP weapons and abilities just because you get killed and you though you were the chosen one when it comes to pvp. Even pve is suffering from all this whining, we can never have any fun all the fun stuff gets taken away. Reminds me of those taddle tale babies in school who ruined everyone elses day because they couldnt join in..... This community is largely to blame for its own issue, stop crying and play games for fun, if its not fun or your scene find something else or take a break, a game does not equate to the end of your world

Another problem I notice is that there are many, many toxic players running around crutching that main ingredient xur sold. They tend to lack map awareness and just ape around. When you end up whooping them , they like to send hate mail either on Xbox or here on the destiny app. 9/10 times this type of player has more shotgun kills than any other archetype. You then look them up and they are always a very pedestrian player, ~1.3-1.6 kd. No other fps gives very average players the feeling they are good at shooters than destiny. This all circles back to your post. Way too many one hit kill weapons with almost unlimited ammo and tiny, unintelligent map design.

Special ammo economy needs to return yo what it was in D1. Ammo from crates, have your fun, then back to normal gunfights.

The fact that people continue to complain about shotguns after this many nerfs is simply astounding

Being one shoted is a part of fps since....forever. If you dont lile being one shotted, well play something else. A meta with primary gameplay only leads to one thing : teamshot meta. Aka the meta where you cant do anything without holding your friends d*ck. Because there is no way for you to win a 2v1 against 2 scouts camping together while using a scout. The y1 meta was basically good for truly bad players who couldnt handle themselves, but for the rest of the community it was a nightmare You need those ohk weapons to counter supers (i remember y1 where you could litteraly pop your super in front of ennemies knowing they cant kill you anyways) You need ohk to punish bad positioning and decisions. You need ohk to speed the game You need ohk to prevent players from camping together because of how it can be an issue to be close together against ohk weapons

Shotties are pretty balanced rn Same with snipers. It’s certain fusions, linear fusions and chappy that are busted.

Peer to peer connectivity is the main antagonist here. If bungie would actually put money and time into some kind of dedicated and secure server method, alot of the issues we have currently would cease. . Input lag from player to player (ghost bullets, AoE not taking effect, Melee whiff, etc) Hackers DDOSers Unstable connection players (stadia I'm looking at you) Balance issues with certain guns in general. Like Lorentz, arbalest, jotunn, bastion, to name a popular few

The objective is to kill you before u kill me What’s the problem?

Titan solar hammer fist one hit ko but " HuNtErS KnIvEs Op" -_-

100% agree. There is no gun fight anymore. Linear fusions are the worst, fusions, shot guns, there are just to many out there.

I’ve gotten to the point where I only care about me and my bounties. As long as I get my bounties done I don’t care if we win or lose. I’ll rush in their and suicide that -blam!- if it means I may get my bounty done.

What’s stopping you from doing the same? Pride?

Ohk weapons are fine.. besides that fusions need some range nerfing.. shotties are -blam!- because of people who have no map awareness crying.. snipers are easy to use but have flinch.. after playing primarily trials.. I can't stand playing 6's anymore.. it's way to chaotic! And when game modes like Iron banner are back everyone groups up and uses the cheesiest strats.. I can't stand IB.. I'd rather get shot with a ball of my own -blam!- then play it..